Open Line Friday!

“I mean, the media is liberals. It is a bunch of leftists. It’s not that they’re objective people and have chosen sides. They are Obama. They are Axelrod. They’re all the same people.”

–Rush Limbaugh, Wednesday

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  1. Sir RobinSir Robin says:

    It’s an interesting piece. One can’t deny that the cycles of our current economic system can be a whipsaw of pain for most.

    A ten minute video of Mr. Wolff is included with the link.

  2. thiokuutoo says:

    I thought that line went

    Solyent green is people

    • droll says:

      Bigger news that Limbaugh just labeled himself a “liberal”. He’s a flabby arm of Obama and finally admitting it. How else could anyone have been so stupid about Fluke? Oh, right.

      It was a good theory for a moment.

  3. Libertad says:

    On the campaign trail, Mitt Romney has been hammering a statistic that “over 92 percent of the jobs lost under this president were lost by women,” evidence, he says, that President Obama’s policies amount to a “war on women.” Romney’s statistic is accurate, as far as it goes.


    Here’s what Romney said in a Fox News interview on April 11 (at about the 5:45 mark):

    Romney, April 11: He [Obama] has lost 800,000 jobs during his presidency. And by the way, do you know what percentage of those jobs lost were lost by women? Over 92 percent of the jobs lost under this president were lost by women. His policies have been, really, a war on women.

    Romney’s statistic is accurate. It’s true, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that between January 2009, when Obama took office, and March 2012, there has been a net decline of 740,000 jobs for both men and women, and that among women there has been a net loss of 683,000 jobs. The Romney campaign did the math and calculated that 92.3 percent of the jobs lost under Obama were lost by women.

    Come on pimps … Poverty pimps, sex pimps, education pimps, racial pimps, energy pimps, enviro pimps, [insert big government program] pimps

    • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

      The Romney campaign did the math

      How about a link instead of your usual snipping and clipping?

      The world is waiting.  

      • Libertad says:

        $4-6 gas, food staples up 50-75%, housing market crashes and recrashes.

        Jobs, jobs, jobs oh where are the elusive jobs to pay for the people’s increased costs of living my dear poverty pimps?

        • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

          Stow your stupid pandering bullshit. You have nothing and you are nothing.

          Until you start posting provable facts instead of the insipid drivel that normally eminates from your keyboard, you are nothing more pertinent than the distant braying of a jackass.

          Show your work, or get lost.  

          • Libertad says:

            Just a guess here but when you start off your retort with “listen fuckface” you lose about half the people.

            The Romney camp did the work on the massive job losses for women under the Obama economy.

            As for the $4-6 gas and massive food staples price increases …. I guess your mommy is still putting gas in your grandmothers hand-me-down Benz and you don’t help your daddy with the Sunday grocery shopping…..cause if you did then you’d realize that costs for basic living under Obama are up.

            • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

              Your political world is the timebomb.

              I don’t care about losing “half the people”. I am addressing my comments to YOU.

              Would you care to do a little poll on this site about who has credibility and who doesn’t? I’m game.

              If, even once, you made some cogent comment or posted some real, true information instead of the endless, made up bullshit you so unerringly deliver, I might not be so inclined to insult you.

              But, Libertad, you bring this sort of response on yourself. How about showing a little respect for the average reader on this blog and, unless you have something real to share, STFU.

              I am always willing to read and consider the conservative point of view when it is based in some sort of factual, rational consideration. You never deliver such information.

              And if you don’t like my tone…well, this is how pimps respond.  

              • Libertad says:

                Speaking of half the people …..

                The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16 (see trends).

                You know the source: Rassy  

            • VanDammerVanDammer says:

              I’m with duke 100%

              BTW – $6/gal gas?  Yes and guess where?

              According to, motorists are shelling out $5.89 for a gallon of regular gas at a Shell station in Lake Buena Vista …

              “Prices over in the Disney World area are much higher than any other place in Florida,” Jessica Brady, AAA spokeswoman, told CBS Tampa, adding that people regularly complain about gas prices in that area.

              The Sunshine State is opening up its wallet, paying an average of $3.67 a gallon of unleaded gas, 12 cents more than the national average.

              So the only folks fucking over Americans are those greedy capitalistic inbreds on Disney proper.  It’s free market excess ‘turd or can’t your Red Bull numbed bean figure that out.  Why in the fuck is the average gal price all over FL $1+ less but only on Disney proper does the Mouse get the tourists to bend over further?  

              Do you really think it is a lack of supply getting gas to Orlando?

              Or a lack of production that somehow falls singularly on Disney proper?

              You hate so much that you’ll brand perfect examples of capitalism to the extreme as the work of the Obama admin.  You’re an idiot.

              If you really think all that then you need to STFU ’cause you’re just proving yourself a bigger idiot by the day.    

          • davebarnesdavebarnes says:

            Just because you don’t like the data, does not mean that you should call the poster of the story about the data a “fuckface”.

            • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

              skip the decorum lessons, davebarnes?

              Are you a Sunday School teacher, or what?

              I have been butting heads with Libertad for years. If you have something relevant besides what you laughably refer to as “data”, great…let’s hear it.

              Otherwise, you can STFU, too.

              • davebarnesdavebarnes says:

                I have been called a lot of things in my life, but never a “Sunday School teacher”.

                Your problem is that you cannot deal with data that does not fit your world view.

                Very sad.

                • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

                  They say “true, but false” due to the date picking.

                  Anyone of us here can selectively produce “data”. That doesn’t make it true or relevant. The data doesn’t mean anything since it has been so “selectively” chosen.

                  Your admonitions notwithstanding, I have a fondness for the truth. When Libertad writes..truth cringes and leaves the building. It is NOT relevant whether “data” fits my world view or not…It only matters that it is TRUE. If you want to pick a fight with me in defense of Libertad, OK.

                  Your move.

    • rocco says:

      the very story you referenced?

      I did.

      It’s what you referenced….yourself!

      Go back and read it, you dolt. You know, the part where Government has downsized under the President, the down turn started under Bush, how jobs are being added now,  on and on.

      And the part where…… know what, I ain’t a baby sitter. Read the thing!

      Even the Bush Administration’s own economist says Romney’ claim “isn’t properly focused”

      Do you purposely post crap so that you’ll be humiliated when people actually research it?

      As Stu said to Alan, “You are literally too stupid to insult”.

    • davebarnesdavebarnes says:

      The best explanation about this is at http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo

      The facts as claimed by Mittens are true thanks to very selective date picking.

      Even WaPo says they are true. They say “true, but false” due to the date picking.

    • Middle of the Road says:

      the following:

      But is that a result of Obama’s policies, as Romney says? A look at this chart – which we created based on official Bureau of Labor Statistics monthly figures for seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment (the standard measure for jobs) – tells another story.

      What the graph shows clearly, and the numbers back up, is that men took a bigger hit than women, and the decline in jobs for men began much earlier. The downturn in male employment began in May 2007 – a full seven months before the official start (in December 2007) of what became the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. Female employment continued to rise for 10 months after the downturn in male employment, and it peaked in March 2008.

      By the time Obama took office in January 2009, both male and female employment were in a steep decline that continued for over a year.

      I realize when you post stuff, you don’t actually expect anyone will bother to read the entire article, which is probably why you generally ignore posting a link that is easy to follow and instead choose to bury it at the bottom of your comments.

      Obama didn’t “lose” 800,000 jobs for women. It’s not like he misplaced his keys here. Over 4.4 million jobs were lost before Obama took office, under Bush’s administration. In fact, men took the bigger hit and they took it much earlier, as early as May 2007.

      So I guess we can logically conclude from your own linked material that Republicans are waging a war on white men, no?

      • Sir RobinSir Robin says:

        To paraphrase Don McLean:

        Bye, bye Miss American Pie

        Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry

        Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye

        Singin’ this’ll be the day that Facts die

        This’ll be the day that Facts die

        It’s simply baffling, not to mention extremely annoying, that the Right has such a problem with facts.

        Over the centuries, Facts became such a prevalent part of most people’s lives that Irish philosopher Edmund Burke once said: “Facts are to the mind what food is to the body.”

        This from an article in the Chicago Tribune today about the Requim of facts:

        Someone is starving their minds. They need help.


      • MADCO says:

        and a bumper sticker version

        You know- BinLaden is Dead, GM is alive.

    • DougcoDemDougcoDem says:

      This economy we ruined. These wars we didn’t end. These deficits we created over 8 years. How dare this President not fix them immediately!

  4. PitaPita says:

    This is the subject we discussed briefly over dinner last night and quickly concluded they should not – in the interest of national security.  This morning the Washington Post publishes the following story:

    One of the Secret Service supervisors ousted from the agency this week for their involvement in the Colombia prostitution scandal made light of his official protective work on his Facebook page, joking about a picture of himself standing watch behind Sarah Palin.

    David Randall Chaney, 48, posted several shots of himself on duty in a dark suit and sunglasses, including one that shows him behind the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee during that campaign.

    “I was really checking her out, if you know what i mean?” Chaney wrote in the comments section after friends had marveled at the photo. He is married and has an adult son.

    So much for our concerns for National Security.

  5. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    No matter how much you want to – don’t. No actual communication occurs in either direction so there’s no benefit to be gained.

    • Albert J. Nock says:

      There is benifit as I am sitting here laughing my ass off at manboy Dukeco1 and his lapdogs.


      • AristotleAristotle says:

        at someone who can’t spell “benefit.” Good god, man, that’s not a word anyone should misspell.

      • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

        The laughter of simpletons is a balm to my soul.

        • Albert J. Nock says:

          Yeah, the spelling Nazis got me.  I am not worthy.

          Try making your point without aggression and or profanity. You talk like high school kids with limited vocabulary.

          There are no facts in politics. It is all personal, its all about harnessing the guns of government to get your way!

          BTW, still laughing my arce thanks for the benifit.

          • AristotleAristotle says:

            “Try making your point without aggression and or profanity.”

            Um, look at my sig line.

            “You talk like high school kids with limited vocabulary.”

            Duke’s line isn’t one ANY high schooler I know would utter.


            That describes your third and fourth paragraphs.

            “Yeah, the spelling Nazis got me.  I am not worthy.”

            Godwin’s Law. You lose.

          • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

            I don’t like you. I don’t like the bullshit you bring to this site, but, you are as free to be here as anyone else.

            You are also free to be insulted, corrected, hassled, vilified, chastened, and a half dozen other verbs that don’t immediately spring to mind.

            If you want to post here, get used to it. I made a decision a few weeks ago that I am no longer going to tolerate the mendacious arrogance that is your stock and trade.

            You got nothing, Nock. What is your IQ, anyway? You don’t sound any smarter than Craig Meis. Another greedy, duplicitous, smart-ass.

            You get what you get, Nock. If you can’t handle it…bug out, babycakes.  

            • Albert J. Nock says:

              Wow, you can write without profanity. Now try to tone back the aggression.  Probably kind off difficult for you seeing how you think the guns of government are awesome.

              I see you are a Cannabis proponent as am I, maybe you should change strain?  You seem a wee bit angry.

              Maybe your medulla oblongata is swollen?

              • Sir RobinSir Robin says:

                I’ve seen Duke’s medulla oblangata. His medulla oblangata is a friend of mine. You don’t know his mo…..but that was funny.

              • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

                you guys seem to have a list of insults like “pimp” and “manboy” (That is correct, I didn’t start the name calling, now did I?) that are somehow not equivalent to my choice of insults. OK, whatever. This isn’t the Nickleodeon blog.

                I hope you come to expect a belligerent response from me every time you post some unsubstantiated, hateful, insulting, neo-con crap, because that is what you are going to get. Keep it real or keep it to yourself. Like I said before,…your presence here is optional.

                Show a little respect…get some.

                It’s not such a bad deal, really.

    • Danny the Red (hair)Danny the Red (hair) says:

      I would add, don’t reply to any of the fact deficient posters who exist merely to thread jack.

  6. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    The 4/20 celebration up here has never led to riots (they’re too stoned), has never caused damage, and brings lots of people to Boulder. And what do all those people do after toking up and protesting?

    They eat. Major munchies. Apparently 4/20 has been one of the busiest days of the year for sandwich shops, burger places, etc. And now C.U. is doing their best to reduce that business, decrease jobs, hurt the local economy.


    • ajb says:

      They don’t want to be known as a party school, especially after spending about $800k on branding.

      Call me a prude, but I can’t support the 4/20 party. I’ve got 12 and 14 year old kids. Present laws fail to recognize that smoking pot is bad for kids.

      It’s about more than business profits (at least for some of us).

      • DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

        And for some reason kids gravitate toward all those bad things. But somehow they manage to survive it – we all did.

        I’m not saying we should encourage smoking pot (or drinking or random sexual encounters). I just think we should respond appropriately.

        • ajb says:

          I’m all for legalization and regulation. The present laws are a joke and a waste of money and resources. But, until we have sensible laws, I don’t see where CU is under any obligation to host a party for smoking pot.

          As for the rationalization of “they’ll survive, we did,”  some don’t.  

          • AristotleAristotle says:

            can be found by asking “what will happen if we clamp down?”

            We won’t know until later today, but I predict:

            * massive inconvenience for people with business at the university. Not just students, faculty, and staff, but delivery people, people with meetings, prospective students who might have been unfortunate enough have planned to visit today.

            * citywide traffic congestion. If people are being kept out along the university’s borders, several major streets (Broadway, most notably) will be slowed down if not blocked by students at whatever checkpoints they’ve set up, if not the protestors. This will end up reverberating all over the city, as most of the busiest thoroughfares (28th, Arapahoe, Canyon, Folsom, Baseline, and Broadway) pass very near, if not right along, the campus boundary. Furthermore, tons of non-students cross the campus every day on their way to work, or shopping, or whatever. I did it all the time when I lived up there, and I was never a student at CU Boulder.

            * protests every day for the foreseeable future, with all the mess that comes with them.

      • davebarnesdavebarnes says:

        The CU Administration’s behavior has zero to do with dope and its goodness or badness.

        The Princeton Review gave CU a high party school ranking and that is what has their knickers in a twist.

        • AristotleAristotle says:

          He used to the be the city attorney for Seattle, where he developed a reputation for being very down on city nightlife because of his attempts to close down “problem” bars based on noise complaints filed by the kinds of people who complain about everything.

          This whole thing has a killjoy stink about it, which Carr was known for.

          • sxp151 says:

            but the “party school” atmosphere is a problem. I like nightlife, but when your kid wakes up crying most nights because drunk students are screaming outside your window as they go to the next party, you start to wish CU didn’t attract quite so many rich out-of-staters who treat the town like a rest stop.

            The 4/20 event may not have been well-known among the general public until now, but it was pretty well-known to prospective students who read the party school ranking.

            I have nothing against drinking or smoking pot, I just wish people could do those things in their own homes or in regulated establishments, so I don’t have to step over broken beer bottles and walk through thick clouds of smoke when I’m taking my kid out in the morning.

            • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

              I lived in Boulder in ’86 & ’87. There are some neighborhoods near the school that become difficult to live in for that reason.

              I was singing for a band in those days. I know about the parties…. whew.  

            • AristotleAristotle says:

              I don’t live there now, but I used to. BUT…. we’re talking about something happening in the afternoon once a year. Yeah, it’s related to the party school quality of CU, but that doesn’t mean that a clampdown won’t create more problems, or affect the party school atmosphere in the least.

              As an aside, I think automatically blaming local troubles on presumed “non-locals” is knee-jerk. Locals are always involved… trust me.

          • CaninesCanines says:

            That’s where the Drug Czar is from, too.

            Go figure.

      • VanDammerVanDammer says:

        if they’re serious about academics 1st and  eliminating partying then they need to toughen all the partying — but that would mean no support from their boozed up alums, their liquor distributors, Coors & Bud & all the other sports parasites.  

        MJ is here, there, & everywhere so time to face facts.  I don’t think you’re a prude and it’s truly hard to criticize any parent for dilemmas of choice related to raising children but the ubiquity of alcohol and its ease of access and ease of abuse is far more malignant and yet an accepted and almost revered part of collegiate culture.  

        Folsom Field holds 50,000+ and every fall Sat there’s a huge % sodden sots stumbling onto our streets — any outrage there?

        • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

          I am always amused at the naysayers where pot is concerned. The hypocrisy and ignorance is enough to drive you to drink.    🙂  

          • ajb says:

            I don’t like 4/20, so that makes me hypocritical and ignorant? If that’s really what you mean, I could share some choice expletives.

            Look, I’m pretty familiar with what’s going on. I’ve sat in on several meetings with growers, caregivers, and dispensary owners and count some of them among my friends. I’ve seen plenty of traffic in and out of dispensaries. I’ve got friends and neighbors with cards. Personally I haven’t smoked much since college, but I can tell you todays pot isn’t the same as what we smoked then.

            My perspective comes as a parent of middle school kids:

            Pot damages brain development in adolescents.

            “Studies of normal brain development reveal critical areas of the brain that develop during late adolescence, and our study shows that heavy cannabis use is associated with damage in those brain regions,”

            Our present system of laws takes no account of that. Pot is illegal because it’s illegal, regardless of age. There’s no “responsible pot smoking”. There’s no smoking pot “in moderation.” Except it’s legal for medicinal use. So all those CU students have chronic back pain? The whole thing is a joke. The only real solution is legalization and regulation. Until we get that, I’ll side with the no on 4/20 crowd.

            • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

              that isn’t what I mean. Your point of view regarding kids is right on and I agree. My comment was not directed at you.

              I have a problem with people who establish some sort of equivilancy between pot and alcohol. They are not alike, and neither should be in the hands of anyone under the legal age to drink.

              I understand your problem with 4/20 and you are, of course, entitled to your view and the right to state it.

              Just so you know. My recent penchant for vituperation regarding some specific posters here, is a reaction to my unwillingness to suffer lying fools any further. For what it is worth, I have never considered your input as anything but rational.

              I hope I haven’t offended you…it was inadvertent, if so.

            • VanDammerVanDammer says:

              even those with legal scripts are banned if you’re in a CU dorm.

              Agree that legalization and regulation is the path to solving these issues.  So Just Say NOW.    

          • VanDammerVanDammer says:

            Wyclef Jean is giving a free concert on Friday but his contract bars him from saying anything about 4/20 or even mentioning marijuana.

            But that free concert is being held in the friggin’ COORS Center.  Can’t mention MJ under the banner of booze.  PATHETIC!

            • sxp151 says:

              we will presumably have one big pot-growing conglomerate in the state, and it will develop a terrible reputation for some reason and need to fix it, and its PR firm will recommend donating to CU. When that day comes, CU will happily take the money and rename some building on campus “The Happy-Toke Candy Trip Planetarium.” But today is not that day.

      • VanDammerVanDammer says:

        was the campus ever closed in the ’70s during the protest marches, building occupations, riots, and bombings?  Hell the CU PD itself was bombed but did they ever close down the campus?

        Was the campus ever close during the anti-apartheid and anti-nuke protests in the ’80s?

        DiStefano makes too much of this but hey it helps burnish his conservadumb Repub bona fides.  Everyone aware that the CO Dems have adopted Amendment 64 into their platform?  It’s about legalized MJ use by adults.  And those citizens of age, old enough to give their lives for this country in egregious GOP wars for oil, should be trusted and not criminalized.  

        • sxp151 says:

          I’ve gotten arrested during protests. And when marijuana was actually illegal, this event was a protest. But now that everyone there is able to complain of “chronic pain from a skiing injury” and get weed easily and legally, there’s nothing for them to protest anymore. It’s just another big party at the party school.

          • VanDammerVanDammer says:

            what if folks are exercising their right of assembly in protest of this issue?  Shouldn’t that be allowed?  But DiStefano closes the campus to all — smokers, tokers, jokers, visitors, … all citizens (assumed, but that’s for the self-deportation talkers).

            It’s great that you were active and protested for/against issues and I commend you for  exercising your rights.  But hopefully folks realize that not everyone of last years’ 10,000 participants smoked.  Yes folks did  view it as an assembly in protest of inane criminality over MJ.  But are any & all activists for this issue viewed thru the lens of criminality for the sake of partying?  Couldn’t this assembly be a sign of activism?  

            • sxp151 says:

              is that CU students are not involved with much activism. Most of the Boulder activists I’m aware of tend to be much older. And I’ve been to the 4/20 event before, and the only suggestion of activism was maybe three guys with NORML signs. One gets the sense that if you asked people in that crowd to sign a petition they’d tell you to fuck off. That’s not very activist.

    • DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

      The top story on CNN – University hopes to repel stoners on ‘420’ day

      One of the biggest pro-pot rallies is the annual smokeout on the campus of the University of Colorado at Boulder. The rally has taken place for about a decade and, in recent years, attendance has grown, according to university spokesman Bronson Hilliard. Last year, more than 10,000 people showed up to light up on the campus’ Norlin quad.

      “People fly in from around the country to participate,” Hilliard explained.

      And for C.U.’s effort – they now have everyone in the country reading that C.U. is the #1 stoner school. The Business School should use this as a lesson in how not to do P.R.

  7. Have you ever SEEN him and Libertad 2.0 in the same place?

    Calling it right now.

  8. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    Aviva Mistakenly Fires 1,300 Employees at Investment Unit

    the U.K.’s second- biggest insurer by market value, mistakenly sent an e-mail dismissing the entire staff at its investment unit before retracting the message.

    The e-mail, which was sent to 1,300 employees globally at Aviva Investors, told recipients to turn over company property as they left the building and reminded them of their obligations to guard the firm’s confidential information, according to Paul Lockstone, a spokesman for the London-based insurer.

    “It was intended that this e-mail should have gone to one single person,

  9. BlueCat says:

    I’d like to use my second comment of the day to wish you all a great weekend. Just a short while ago I would have been in the thick of this thread responding to ‘tad and Nock’s utter idiocy with response after response. This self-imposed quota is really paying off.  Very freeing. Beautiful day. I feel good. Hope you all do too.  

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