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Republicans Dont Want Maes OR McInnis

by: Colorado Pols

Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 22:11:13 PM MDT


UPDATE: Dan Maes is claiming victory, Tweets the state's newspaper of record.

This one (hee hee) might end up (snicker) having to go to a (guffaw) recount before it's over. You can't make this stuff up -- a potential recount to confirm the candidate that Republicans don't want anyway. If Republicans could vote on whether they even care who wins, we'd wager 'NO' would get more votes than either Maes or McInnis.

Kind of puts a dent in the old vacancy committee scheduling, eh?
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Republicans Dont Want Maes OR McInnis | 67 comments
Bad link. The link is to the Norton-Buck race.

I don't see Maes dropping out
It could still go either way, but Maes is holding on to that lead with his fingernails. And if he wins, I think he'll stay in.

And really, how much is it worth to the GOP to have someone else lose to Hick. Might as well be Maes.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

Can't see....
any other Republican wanting it actually....sort of like accepting a cabin on the Titanic....

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
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Hey, my boy, Crazy Dan is ahead by
1300 votes at 2212 10AUG2010.

I only wish that I had voted multiple times.

What happened to the under vote?
With a lot of righty blogs calling for an under vote for gov right now the under vote is only a little over 17,000 or about 4%.
I asked about this in the Open Thread
Best ideas for dealing with a tie:

Coin toss
20 paces at dawn
Bicycle joust

It's a sad day when our politicians are comical and I have to take our comedians seriously.

Joust!
Just like those sneaky Europeans would do it.
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Not true
Those sneaky Euros would have a wine and cheese get together and figure out how to elect both to highly paid sinecures with zero accountability.
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'highly paid sinecures with zero accountability"
is this about mike coffman?  or are we talking about tancredo's dreams?
[ Parent ]
So it's still possible
That Penry will lose twice tonight?
GOP looks to have bigger turnout than Dems
Is it something for Dems to worry about in November? Probably.

It's a sad day when our politicians are comical and I have to take our comedians seriously.
No, because plagiarized votes don't count
in the general.
Only in the Repub primary.
It is the only reason that Scooter is so close to CrazyDan.
[ Parent ]
GOP always has bigger primary turnout
Plus, there were more contested primaries around the state for Republicans, which means more GOTV efforts
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Makes sense
Plus I forgot to account for the massive amounts of unaffiliated voters and disenfranchised party people.

It's a sad day when our politicians are comical and I have to take our comedians seriously.
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Our man Dan is getting it done
78% and he's ahead 0.5%. Maes the Magnificent!

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
Uh, David, that is our
man CrazyDan®
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What About Zoidberg?
I wonder if Ritter is kicking himself over getting out.  I think even as unpopular as he is right now he could still beat CrazyDan® with or without the Tank.

Matthew
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No, he's not.
Ritter didn't get out because he thought he's lose.
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CrazyDan® is now ahead by
1900
at 2240 on 10AUG2010
By all means
Go crazy Dan! Just checked and he was still slightly ahead a with 81% and the percentages still 50/50.  The idea of a recount between these two, the nut job and the sociopath, is too delicious for words.  
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Nut job and sociopath?
Why, you mean the Successful Businessman and the Jobs Governor.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner
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0.8% margin w/ 88% counted...
... not going to be close enough for a recount. GO DAN! Stop them bicycles!

AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."
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The international relations expert and the respected author n/t


Don't believe everything you think.
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Dan is aMAESing
Ok with 90% reporting he's up 50.5% to 49.4%. This is a guy with no political experience, no connections, no money. And he just won the primary. Yes the McInnis plagiarism helped him a lot, but Maes made a number of mistakes too. Definitely a weird time.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
Dave
Where are you getting your information from, I'm having trouble finding a station that's covering this at this time?

Don't believe everything you think.
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The newspaper that must not be mentioned.


Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Do you think Scooter is putting a "stop payment" on that check to the Hasans about now?
I have a strong hunch something will "just happen" and that reimbursement agreement will be canceled.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner
91% reporting
http://www.9news.com/news/elec...

187,567 Maes
183,882 McInnis

The fact that the Maes lead is widening
suggests that election day voters were less likely to favor McInnis than voters who mailed in their ballots early on (machinations to have McInnis resign by party leaders and certain newspapers notwithstanding).

Looking at the results on a county by county basis, support for McInnis is heavily concentrated in areas that were in the 3rd Congressional District when he was in Congress, and are much weaker in most other counties.

It looks like Maes is going to win this!

Tancredo isn't going to drop out to let Maes run, Maes has no traction in the campaign finance department at all (even post-scandal, McInnis raised more than he did), and the guy has made national news with his idiocy.

So, now the big question is whether Maes can, after winning the primary, acknowledge the futility of his efforts.  While he can't win the general election (and he knows this if he an any shred of sanity), a primary win lets him play kingmaker and earn a lot of GOP good karma if he plays ball and drops out on his own terms.  

A post-primary deal would leave Maes much better off than he would be as a discredited loser in the general election, and if he can cut a deal with Tancredo on a replacement that is capable of self-funding, these men could put a candidate in place who would never have a shot in a vacancy committee if the party establishment had its way.  

Indeed, if Maes withdrew and endorsed someone else, and Tancredo also endorsed the same replacement, and Tancredo stayed in the race until the vacancy committee acted, Tancredo could actual help Maes by keeping a vacancy committee from welching on the tacit deal that caused Maes to resign, because unless both Maes and Tancredo get out, the GOP candidate is doomed.

Alternately, Maes could not resign, fail to campaign, and then endorse Tancredo at the last minute when it is too late to replace him as the GOP nominee.

Will those things happen?  Beats me.  But, given that it seems likely that McInnis may be out of the game by tomorrow morning, that is the only way that I can see the GOP having any shot in the Governor's race, and power is a powerful temptress.

interesting scenarios...
it's my understanding that Maes spent the last two days in the springs where he won 55-45, or 5,000 votes, or, the margin of victory...


See my work at Politics Daily  
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If Maes is forced out
It will tear the Republican party apart. Because it will be a big sign to the party base that their vote is irrelevant. They need to keep Maes in and give him decent support. Any other alternative has a worse outcome.

Of course, figure Dick Wadhams is always looking for the worst possible outcome...

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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Would you write Maes a check if you were a Republican?
I'm not at all convinced that the Republican base that won the top line for Maes in the primary loves him anymore.  

This was a lesser of two evils primary.  GOP voters reluctantly chose a crank over a crook.  But, that doesn't mean that most of them wouldn't prefer someone else with the benefit of hindsight.

Most Republican activists are honest enough with themselves and hungry enough that they would recognize the pragmatic necessity of running someone else.

There are also a lot of really influential people in the GOP who would like nothing more than to show their tea party wing that they are idiots who need to go back to following orders and stop trying to think for themselves, as the GOP nominee for the U.S. Senate said and a lot of the GOP establishment agrees, "they're dumbasses."

Dick Wadhams has ceased to be relevant.

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Poor Joe Gschwendtner
Must be kicking himself right now.
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And Josh Penry
Up until Josh dropped out I held that Josh would beat Scott in the primary. And if he had stayed in he would have.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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No, Penry wouldn't have.
He wasn't raising the money he needed, and he found out that not everybody agreed with his fan base in Mesa County that he was the golden boy.

Sometimes, I guess, you have to let the inner bitch out.

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He won't, shouldn't drop out.
Whenever in the past couple of years the idea occured to this political rookie to run, I am sure it was to get a mesage out, to make a statement.

Something strange happened along the way, people started listening to him and out of nowhere he wins the state convention.

Still against long odds and with the biggest break a candidate could hope for, this guy, who has never held public office, who has no background even suggesting he might make a good govenor,ends up winning his party's nomination.

He has no party connections, no party aspirations, got no support form the party leadership, and everyone is expecting him to now, after all he overcame, drop out because those same party hacks decide he's not good enough??  Because some crank decides he's bigger then electorate and wants to choose the next Govenor and will Tanc anybody elses chances unless he gets his way??

No way he drops out, no credible reason he should.

And for that, thank you Dan Maes, we all look forward to 8 more years with a reasonable Govenor.

Colorado, one of the lowest taxed states in one of the lowest taxed nations in the developed world.

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I completely agree with JeffcoDemo
I'm certain that in Maes mind there is absolutely no reason to drop out.  Because a bunch of people say he can't win? Big deal. At one point a bunch of people said no way could he win the primary. Uh, whoops. Now I just really wish Tanc WOULD drop out so that we could see numbers like Hickenlooper with 80% of the vote. That would be funnier than the Great UN-Bike-Conspiracy Theory.
[ Parent ]
Be careful what you wish for
Everyone kept ignoring Maes because there was no way he could do well. And here he is with another win on the road. I think it would be foolish to assume Maes will lose.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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No way.
I'd not only assume he'll lose, I'll bet my house on it.

If I were Hick I'd go to Belize for three months, and then come back and do an acceptance speech.

You guys know what an R I am, and this field for Gov (including Tanc) is the biggest fiasco I've ever seen in my life.

I thought I'd never see a campaign run as poorly as Beauprez' (who I think would have made a great Governor) but this just eclipsed that by light years.

Thank God we're going to kick ass in the Senatorial and some Congressional races, and take back at least the House.

[ Parent ]
I do not agree with Dan Maes . . .
but he has earned the chance to convince Colorado voters that he should be the state's next governor.

We tell our children that rewards come from hard work. Dan Maes worked hard in his campaign. He worked the state, with no support from his party's leadership, and he convinced more than half of the Republican primary voters to nominate him.

Tell me again why he should surrender that nomination? It makes no difference whether someone in Wadhams' retinue tells him he should. You and I both know that there is no reward for Maes if he, against all reason, gave up an incredible political accomplishment.

Maes probably doesn't win in November. The odds against him are very long indeed. But to pressure him out now is to say not only that the voters' say is irrelevant, but that the effort the man put forth is unworthy of the recognition that it has brought him. No party should send that message.

[ Parent ]
Maes and Tancredo need jobs
Seriously, both are running in no small part because they need the income.  Neither drops out unless they're bought out of the race.  I guess Independence INstitute could bring one or the other back (Tancredo) or onboard.  Or, the Hasans could have one of them write musings on.... oh, never mind.

Neither walk wihtout cash, IMO....

[ Parent ]
Maes 51% McInnis 49%
187,777 Maes
184,053 McInnis

With 91% reporting. Looks like this one is over. No recount. Lead is widening for Maes.

It's over
From this link, here's my math.  

There are 6 counties with uncounted votes.
County -- Precincts -- Split
Boulder -- 309/372 -- Maes +16%
Douglas -- 226/318 -- Maes +6%
El Paso -- 460/611 -- Maes +10%
Jefferson -- 480/634 -- Maes +6%
Smaller counties, where percentage doesn't really work:
Pitkin -- 18/23 -- McInnis +141 votes
Yuma -- 7/10 -- McInnis +164 votes

Douglas county and JeffCo could go crazy and flop the results, but it's not looking like it.  I'm calling it.

Chairman Dick, I'm reminded of The Operative in Serenity: "in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."  

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

And it's updated
Douglas is all in with the same split.  JeffCo is the only county where this could change.  'Night all.  

May Professor Finance Irregularities sign Tommy T on as his running mate.  

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

[ Parent ]
Agreed. Maes won.

[ Parent ]
12:12 pm
93% (5085 of 5458)

Maes     190,880    51%

McInnis  186,738    49%

Scooter has gone to bed, no concession, but it looks like this one is over.


Don't believe everything you think.

Channel 7 just showed a Trancredo Clip
According to Tom:

"From now on principle trumps party."

A nice laugh before bedtime.

Don't believe everything you think.

[ Parent ]
Enter Thomas Tancredo
Creating Jobs:

  1. Restore the business sales tax exemptions that were eliminated by the Ritter "Dirty Dozen" Tax hikes, the Senior Homestead Exemption, and roll back the mill levy freeze.
  2. Repeal the job-killing Business Personal Property Tax
  3. Revisit and revise harmful Ritter-era regulations, including the restrictive new oil and gas regulations
  4. Protect American workers (and help honest employers ensure that their employees are legally in the country) through the use of a mandatory workplace verification system such as E-Verify

Fiscal Responsibility:

  1. Build a "zero- based" budget.
  2. Restore the limit on state spending.
  3. Achieve cost savings by contracting with the private sector, where appropriate, to carry out certain state services.
  4. Refuse federal dollars that come with unsustainable, long-term state spending commitments or harmful federal mandates.

Secure Colorado:

  1. Implement tough new Arizona-style interior and employer enforcement laws.
  2. Withhold state funds from local governments that enact so-called "sanctuary policies"
  3. Oppose providing taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants.
  4. Audit state and local government compliance with state immigration laws.

[ Parent ]
Don't steal Maes's thunder Libertad with this Tanc stuff
This thread is all about Maes. He is the Man!

94% reporting

Maes 51%  194,021
McInnis 49% 188,918

[ Parent ]
Maes surprised me,
.
but he won, fair & square.  
Now it's time for the GOP to unite behind him and march off the cliff.

His campaign finance irregularities are minor, like parking tickets.  As he said.
But since he ran based on his business acumen, and since he hasn't actually demonstrated business acumen, he's got nothing to campaign on.  He is as smart as any other pol, but doesn't have an angle.
.  

[ Parent ]
Which is to say...
He is as smart as any other pol

:)

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

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Well, I can agree with two of the ideas above . . .
Namely:

1.  The mandated use of an accurate and effective workplace verification system.

2.  Audit state and local government compliance with state immigration laws.

I've not yet made up my mind on the the idea of allowing illegal immigrants in-state tuition.

On the other hand, anyone familiar with the state budget who does not believe we need to raise taxes is using too much of their local dispensary's product.  

Back to Dan Maes--he did what you're supposed to do when you have zero history--work your tail off, talk to anyone and everyone, and see how it goes.  And, of course, hope that your opponent is caught in a huge scandal.  He's probably in a bit of a daze at everything that has happened--that "Wow, I can't quite believe what has happened."

BarronX hit the nail on the head: "Now it's time for the GOP to unite behind him and march off the cliff."  To do otherwise is to destroy whatever bond remains between party leadership and the party rank and file.

Discipline without purpose is tyranny.

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I am pretty sure
That nothing remains of the bond between the leadership and the rank and file.

Most of us R's have come to the realization what complete and inglorious fuck-up's our leadership is comprised of.

From Dickwad all the way down to many of the county party officials, their leadership "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[ Parent ]
I'm pretty sure that was buck that said that
Unless tancredo said it too

It's a sad day when our politicians are comical and I have to take our comedians seriously.
[ Parent ]
Channel 7 just replayed the clip
Definitely Tancredo

"At the time, . . .at this point in my life, . . . principle trumps party."

He was speaking on camera from his illegal-immigrant built home theater.

Don't believe everything you think.

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I guess buck and tancredo
Are reading from the same conservative cue cards. I'm going to find the clip of buck as soon as I'm not lazy.

It's a sad day when our politicians are comical and I have to take our comedians seriously.
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After I put the scope away last night
I tuned into the last hour of Jon Caldara.

He had Dean Singleton on.

Singleton said of Maes, "He's not qualified to be dogcatcher."

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

Should be a fun season
and a fun stretch on youtube...

Bikes, certainly, will be a big Maes (anti-527, etc.) theme.  Just the general 'crazy', 'incompetent', 'unfit' stink will follow him everywhere.  He will have to work really hard to shake it now--only he can't be outflanked too badly on the nutjob side, with 'Loose Cannon' Tanc crashing about the countryside.  As a friend noted to me: 'Hick should just stay home on the couch with some of the product.'  I wouldn't recommend that, of course, but the GOP's only hope is that Maes explodes quickly enough to get him off the ballot.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

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There will definitely be pressure, to be sure
But I think he'll stay.  He needs the campaign contributions to live on.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
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Big Deal?
I do not understand what the big deal is? Is Colorado Pols missing the point? The Republican party  now consist of 2 factions, Old School Republicans and the libertarians. Eventually the libertarians will take over the entire party and the old school republicans can join the Democrats where they belong.

Authoritarians v. Libertarians.

This is really simple if you truly understand freedom.

My only concern is that the libertarians may indeed be disappointed with Dan Maes as I am not sure if he has the foundation and gumption to stand up to the establishment.

Stop erasing my signature line. If my non-profane words are offensive, maybe you should redress my grievances rather than censor me.  

There's a lot of libertarians on the democratic side too
I think it's more anarchists on the Republican side. And people who want government to provide, but don't want to pay for it - call them the spoiled children contingent.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
I keep waiting....
....for the Liberterians to take over, and they never seem to

I'm very afraid of where fiscal conservatism lies within the current Republican Party - and it's simply increasing the chances of an Independent Fiscal Conservative movement rising...

TABOR4LIFE

[ Parent ]
Question for you . . .
And perhaps it's best taken offline, but:

What do you think government SHOULD do and pay for through taxes?

Discipline without purpose is tyranny.

[ Parent ]
Subsidiarity FTW


"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC
[ Parent ]
Where?
Yes the Republican Party has quite few, who want but yet do not want to pay.  I hate to reference Karl Marks, because he was generally wrong, however he did note what he called "The great contradiction".  This was people who wanted but yet did not want to pay and thought that government would magically operate.  These types of people drive me crazy because they make the least amount of sense. I am fairly certain these types reside in both parties, no?

Now let's disagree. I have never met any anarchist on the Republican side. They all want some type of government. They want the gov to take away your weed, control your cervix, regulate the internet, and quite a few want the gov involved in quality of life issues. Anarchists are rare, especially in the Republican Party.  Maybe we should define anarchist?

Now regarding libertarians in the Democratic party? There is no liberty absent economic freedom. Show me one Democrat who does not think the government should not tax heavily, and micro manage the economy?

Republicans want to control your morals and be in state of perpetual war, Democrats want to control the purse strings, and they are both authoritarians of one flavor or another. Libertarians on the other hand don not want to control your morals or your purse strings. They have a very strict interpretation of the limited areas the government should be involved with. Basically only items that the people want, yet the market is not capable of providing. There are very few items the market cannot deliver more efficiently than government delivery.

Stop erasing my signature line. If my non-profane words are offensive, maybe you should redress my grievances rather than censor me.  

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oops
DavidThi808 I tried to respond to your ealier post, guess I did it wrong.

I started by saying I agree and I disagree.  

Stop erasing my signature line. If my non-profane words are offensive, maybe you should redress my grievances rather than censor me.  

[ Parent ]
No, you did it right.
Interesting comment. Some good stuff in here, Mark.  

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork
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