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A Few Words on Pathological Lying

by: Colorado Pols

Thu May 13, 2010 at 07:45:23 AM MDT


The Colorado Independent started GOP gubernatorial candidate Scott McInnis down another road to self-inflicted embarrassment earlier this week, following up on a report from the Grand Junction Sentinel that all Republican candidates for U.S. Senate and governor in Colorado have endorsed the controversial "personhood" abortion ban slated for this November's ballot.

That's a particularly interesting change of heart for McInnis, who the Denver Post reported last year was formerly chairman of Republicans for Choice, and who eagerly represented himself as a "pro-choice Republican" during his early years in Congress. But when the Independent followed up with McInnis after his public declarations of support for "personhood," they got a very different story:

The Denver Post in November reported that McInnis had once been chairman of Republicans for Choice, a national organization of pro-choice members of the GOP. Duffy said he's not sure that's accurate. "Scott has no memory of that. We're not even sure he was a member," Duffy said. [Pols emphasis]

Well, as was forwarded to just about every news source in Colorado yesterday (we got it too), the record plainly reveals this statement to be a lie. A faxed letter from the Republicans for Choice to the FEC from 1998 (above right) is a little tough to make out completely, but it clearly shows McInnis listed as a member of the advisory board of Republicans for Choice.

And that's far from the only documentation for McInnis' courtship of pro-choice moderate Republicans, back when it politically suited him to do so. After this story went up at the Denver Post yesterday, we were forwarded another letter--this one retrieved from McInnis' congressional papers archive at Fort Lewis College. Dated from late 1995, it's a letter from Chris O'Dell, then a board member of the National Republican Coalition for Choice, explaining that he is arranging meetings with "all pro-choice Republican members of Congress."

And the response?


Read the full letter from O'Dell after the jump. According to sources this is just one of many, many pieces of documentation tying McInnis to pro-choice Republicans (though possibly one of the earlier examples), and more will come out soon. The point being made is that there is absolutely no way McInnis could have 'no memory' of his association with Republicans for Choice--the paper trail is too extensive, McInnis' documented engagement with them is far too enthusiastic.

So what does this mean? That's pretty simple: Scott McInnis' campaign cannot be trusted to tell the truth, even about easily-verifiable and public aspects of McInnis' record. It's crazy to lie about something that can be debunked so easily, so we don't at all understand what they think they're gaining from this, but the bottom line is the same. Whether or not abortion is an issue that resonates with you, one way or the other, is now irrelevant: honesty is an issue that cuts across the ideological spectrum. And McInnis is apparently not even keeping track of the lies anymore.
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Awkward
Scott McInnis: Colorado's very own Mitt Romney--just dumber.  
Breaking News: CDC in Atlanta issues health alert about the spike in "selective amnesia" disorders
ATLANTA - Dr. Jerimiah Strangeglove, head of the mental health division at the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta has issued a warning about the increased number of cases in "selective amnesia" disorders. Dr. Strangeglove made clear that selective amnesia disorder is not to be confused with CRS, or Can't Remember Shit syndrome, in which those afflicted have a general lapse of memory about most everything.

"In a statistically unexplained phenomenon, this spike in selective amnesia cases seem to be overwhelmingly prevalent in Republican candidates running for higher office", said Dr. Strangeglove. He cited other cases to evidence this, including former Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney who clearly had indications of the disorder.

Dr Strangeglove explained that unlike CRS syndrome, which is often linked to the aging process, selective amnesia is tied to a single event or action of the person in which they are completely oblivious to what happened. "This is obviously a mental health issue of great concern", Dr. Strangeglove stated, adding that much more research had to be done to determine the underlying cause of the disorder.  

"Fuck it, let machines do the work"   plank in the Yippie Party platform, 1968

Good one!
Perhaps the good doctor can find a correlation with those suffering this terrible ailment and their voter registration party of record.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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Mr. Mcinnis and his campaign staff continue their headlong drive to destroy his credibility
This is real simple. All Mr. McInnis needed to do is admit and acknowledge his former affiliaiton with Republicans for Choice and then say he changed his mind on the abortion issue. Instead he and his campaign staff lie and attempt to deny the obvious.

ColoradoPols hit the nail squarely on the head. The issue is no longer Mr. McInnis' apparent change of mind on the issue of abortion but rather his lack of honesty which cuts in all directions on the political spectrum. Its difficult to see how pro-life Republicans can trust him now. How do they know he isn't lying to them when he says he is now pro life.

For an individual who has been in or around elected office for most of the past twenty-eight years, he and his campaign look silly. First, he propounds a budget solution that will require Colorado release 35% to 40% of the prison inmates, then he refuses to provide copies of his income taxes after claiming he gives more to charity than any other gubernatorial candidate, then he says he kills an elk and donates the meat to a poor family or gives strangers up to a $1,000 if they are down on their luck but he doesn't have any records to prove it, and now he denies his prior affiliation with a pro choice group he obviously supported in the past which his own archives show he supported. He is making it up off the cuff and apparently is arrogant enough to believe no one will call him on it.

If I was in Mr. Duffy's shoes, I'd be worried about my own reputation at this point. Mr. Mcinnis is using up all of Mr. Duffy's credibility too.

At the moment, all Mayor Hickenlooper need do is lean against the wall and watch Mr. McInnis self destruct.

Duffy has credibility?


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This is where Penry is to land after he helps Norton stick to the facts in the Senate race
Something about birds of a feather, comes to mind.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  
Such insolence towards the Chief of Staff!
I imagine he may be reconsidering having put his in COS business card order so early.  
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Timeline so far
September 1995: this meeting, recruitment?

By Blurry 1998, anyway, he was on the board.

I wish he had stuck to his previous position, it was brave and admirable for a GOPer. I would still even give him a little credit for it now that he's flipped to appease his base in a primary.

But now that he's lying about it ever having happened at all? Fuck the guy. And no one can trust him now on either side of the issue. Can we PLEASE get something besides a slanted Rasmussen poll out there?

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

Ditto
When he first announced my vote and support was for Ritter but I was figuring that McInnis would be a decent Governor too, like Bill Owens 2nd term. But what we now see, someone who will say anything to get elected may do anything once elected.

It's not a pretty sight.

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With this much
pathological Lying by Mcinnis and republicans in general... How do we know they are whom they say they are. possibly they should all be rounded up and each checked for their Immigration status? they tout the Arizona Law so ardently they should be held to its standards.
Or is that a lie too.

Obviously the
Greedy
Otiose
Profiteers
Simply cannot be trusted.

"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  

Why bother? Let McInnis keep up his own efforts for a while
Each week its another bit of good news for the mayor, all courtesy of McDuffy & Co.  

Who knows what other fun stuff is out there that everyone can hate--gasp moderation from a congressman in the day when people like Bob Bennett were the party conservatives, so if he has to either lie now or lie later, its obvious which way he'd go: lie now and later.

 

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

Excellent point
Hickenlooper doesn't really have to do anything other than raise money and watch McInnis implode. This is looking like the 2006 Governor's race all over again, but with a stronger Democrat to begin with.
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And if Colorado Republican rank and file
go off the reservation and nominate Maes then the Republicans are getting rid of an established politician and running a virtual unknown against Hickenlooper.

Their leading actor has more flaws than Hamlet and their backup is so far to the right that he would scare Attila so how do you think this is that going to play out with the general voters?  Me thinks they better work on retaking the State Senate so they can play stalemate with Hickinlooper over redistricting.

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Keep needling Scooter
But I think we want him to win the primary. Maes is filthy rich and can self-fund, and the angry electorate seems to think that having political experience is a bad thing. He certainly doesn't have Scooter's baggage. I think he could be tougher to beat.

Of course he could be a bumbling idiot, I don't know. But assuming he can keep his mouth shut and hires good TV people, I think he could win more easily than McInnis just because McInnis is such a crook.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


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Windsock McGinnis
Memo to Mr. McGinnis, "I don't remember" only works when asked what you were having for breakfast when you were reading the memo warning you that the oil rig was cutting corners.

The only thing more disturbing than his blatant willingness to lie is an apparent lack of his own principles.

Ooops
McInnis
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Alberto Gonzales didn't remember a lot either
right before he decided to spend more time with his family.
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As the Author of the Letter
Well, now my cover is officially broken.  I am the author of that letter.  McInnis did meet not only with the national organization (myself and National Chair Susan Cullman) but he also met on more than one occasion with the local affiliate, Colorado Republicans for Choice.  In particular I remember one meeting with myself and several other members of Colorado Republicans for Choice at a bar at an old Stapleton Airport hotel.  We were furious with McInnis for casting a vote in Congress in the "wrong" way.  The meeting turned into a very interesting philosopical discussion of abortion positions.  At the end, Scott summed up the difference in position as being one where he disagreed with Colorado Republicans for Choice only on the "health" exception to allow abortion in the thrid trimester.  In all else we were in agreement.  Sorry Scott, but that is what you said.  Now has he had a "change of heart?"  I'm sure.  He can't survive in the Republican Party anymore and be pro-choice.  He knows it and I know it.  It's one of the reasons I'm not a Republican anymore.  If that makes his new position to seem "convenient" well so be it.

In fairness, McInnis never cast a single pro-choice vote while in Congress.  The only thing we could count on him for were votes for family planning funds.  So, guess what Scotty, the pro-choicers don't trust you either.

To set the record straight, the "Republicans for Choice" group which Scott was on the letterhead of is not Colorado Republicans for Choice or its National affiliate which is mentioned in the letter above.  It is a separate organization which was/is run by Ann Stone (Roger's ex-wife).  It was a front group for Ann Stone's company and used mainly to raise money from unsuspecting pro-choice Republicans.  The vast majority of its money went to "fundraising costs" to Ann Stone's mail house.  The group had no grass roots support and no organization.  It did give some small contributions to Republican candidates.  It did make a contribution to McInnis in one of his Congressional campaigns.  So guys, go look that up.

Oh, and as long as we are "outing" Congressmen today, I'd like to out Congressman Mike Coffman too.  During his State House career, he was threatened with a primary from what I now call the Republican nut cases.  Guess who Coffman called first thing?  Well that would be his old high school buddy, none other than me.  He wanted to know what Colorado Republicans for Choice could do for him if he got into this primary.  We had a long discussion about what could be done.  Mike actually seemed relieved that we were organized and politically savvy about these things.  Of course, when the nut-job dropped out several weeks later, I never heard from Coffman again.  But, it happened.

So, Congressmen, just admit what is true.  This isn't hearsay, it isn't made up, it's just the truth.  I suggest that you both fess up.  It will be better for you in the long run than trying to cover-up.

See, it's very freeing to leave the whorish world of politics and the now ridiculous world of the Republican Party.  It's you turncoats who didn't help us stop these idiots from taking over the party who are to blame.  You guys made your beds.  Now you can sleep in them, fleas and all.

PS, I dying to know who found my letter.  So, fess up, either here or in a private e-mail.  You know who you are.  I'm dying to find either a kindred soul or someone else who has access to this kind of histroy.

Oh, and By theWay
Why wasn't I above the fold Pols?
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Well,
We can only have so much above the fold before people complain. That said, thanks much for the additional context and information: this is very helpful to everybody.
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Just Kidding
I'm a self-centered attention grabbing lawyer anyway.  You know how we are.
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Thank you for sharing this with us!
Maybe you should write a separate diary on this topic.  I assume you have more stories down these lines.
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Oh, The Stories We Could Tell
But I'm saving them for a book or when people get famous and try to get out of their past.  I just hate that.
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Thanks for being open about this Craig n/t


Gotta Find a Better Sig Line. Any suggestions? :)
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Thanks for the background
Really interesting.
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We tried...
but we were dismissed as Republican nut jobs. :)

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
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Hair color, mustache, charity donations, abortion...
Time for a new campaign slogan.

McInnis: Change like than the weather
McInnis: More flip-flops than a summer beach
McInnis: More spinal manipulations than a chiropractor

Elbowing my way on...
I can state the obvious - that is not Scott's handwriting.  Is he on the letterhead?  Yes.  But I will tell you because of the way he was raised and events around him he wasn't totally comfortable and became a pro life Congressman with the exceptions of at risk mother, rape and incest.  While we did not agree (except on late term abortions), I'm not a one issue person and I accepted the fact that Scott had changed his views more in line with with the pro life movement.  By 2003 he was given a 0 by NARAL, indicating a pro life stance.  http://www.ontheissues.org/Hou...  

Take your shot at me. Ready, aim....

If you're not upset, you haven't been paying attention.  Mike Littwin

Ellie
Please.


" I will always put Colorado families before the Washington special interests"

Cory Gardner (R-O&G)
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Yes, Please Ellie
You are just ignoring history and I was part of it.  As for being uncomfortable, that's total BS.  His wife was uncomfortabel with his position, but he wasn't in the least.  He went on Ann Stone's letterhead because he was pro-choice and because he wanted money from her.  His position was public, very public.  See my post above.  This post is nothing but trying to re-invent history.  Another reason I left the Republican Party, because they kept trying to re-invent history to serve their political goals.  I don't care who's handwriting it was, he met with me and the National President of the Republican Coalition for Choice on that date at that time.  AS I said above, quit trying to make excuses.  You'll be a lot better off is you just fess up to the truth.
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I'm sure it's his scheduler's handwriting
And of course if the scheduler says "yes absolutely," the Congressman says "yes absolutely."

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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Beat me to it Thilly
Either the scheduler or the staffer who screened his mail and decided what to pass through to the Congressman; probably the former.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.
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And bottom line:
This simply isn't the kind of thing a person forgets.  This is a clear, unambiguous, desperate, stupid, purposeful lie. What an idiot.
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I have No Idea
Who's handwriting it is and never said I did.  Look at who the letter is addressed to.  Stephannie Finley.  For those of you history buffs, Stephannie was the Secretary of the Republican Party in Jefferson County when I was the Chair.  I had called her about this meeting before I wrote the letter.
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I wasn't in D.C. at the time
or at your meeting Craig or work for Scott in D.C.  All I can tell you is that there were a number of us who supported Scott and others on the issue of pro-choice.  My perception (mine only) was that he wasn't entirely comfortable at some point during that time when we talked.  I'm being as honest here as you are.  

As I recall here in CO there were any number of supporters who were pro life but did not think the government should have a roll in such a personal decision and were Libertarian in their views.  They accepted a pro-choice stance for that reason.

I suspect before the campaign is over you are going to find that Hick has also changed his mind over the years since becoming Mayor and running for Gov.  Will you call him a liar?  Do you call Obama a liar every time he modifies his views?  I don't think so.  
 

If you're not upset, you haven't been paying attention.  Mike Littwin

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Standard response when a Republican is caught doing anything wrong
"Democrats do it too."

Nice deflection, Ellie.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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Democrats don't do it????
:)  

If you're not upset, you haven't been paying attention.  Mike Littwin
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Really nice deflection, actually
The title of the thread is:
A Few Words on Pathological Lying

It's not that McInnis has changed his view.
It's that he lies about having done so.

"Scott has no memory of that. We're not even sure he was a member," Duffy said.

Sometimes, changing your mind is the right thing to do.
Lying about it never is.

bin Laden is dead
GM is alive

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"As I recall"
See, Ellie, you've done something that McInnis is reportedly unable to do. And that's "recall". That's where we're calling him a liar.
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I'm not in a position to call
Hick anything, as I don't know him.   I also was very clear that if he had a change of heart, that was fine, but at least he should own up to his past.  Your response is soooooo the Republican Party now.  It sooooo reminds me of Bill Clinton saying he smoked pot but didn't inhale.  Scott was pro-choice, but he was uncomfortable with it.  Oh, please.  I could have predicted that response.  Just not true.

You state "As I recall here in CO there were any number of supporters who were pro life but did not think the government should have a roll in such a personal decision and were Libertarian in their views.  They accepted a pro-choice stance for that reason."  There still are a lot of us, we're just not voting for Republicans any more because with few exceptions these people today don't have the spine to stand up to the small minority of extremeists.  There's nothing "pro-life" as that word is used today to mean "anti-choice" about allowing women to make the choice.  That's a completely pro-choice position, even if the woman herself would never personally have an abortion.  That's why we call people like the current day's version of Scott McInnis "anti-choice."  The mysogynists of today have figured out a way to say pro-choice is anti-life.  It isn't and never has been.  It's just asks who should choose.  Not the government for me.  And that used to be the position of the Republican Party too - remember, no government involvment in personal lives.  Now Republicans stand for using government power to enforce their beliefs.  Ask Terry Schivo's husband.  I'm sure he can tell you a thing or two about government involvement in a family's personal tragedy.  That's why I'm not a Republican anymore.  Your statement is the essence of the pro-choice position and if you are saying that Scott still believes that, then he should fess up to still being pro-choice.

I dare you, dare you to ask Scott whether he would put a woman who has an abortion and her doctor to death.  If a person is truly anti-abortion, he has only to say yes.  Because if you believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, then it is flat out pre-meditated murder and both the woman and her doctor should die.

Even though that's the only logical position for any so-called "pro-life" person to take, Scott won't tell you that for two reasons.  First, he knows that it's political suicide (which is why most anti-choice zealots hem and haw when you ask them this question).  Second, the man isn't really anti-choice.  Bet he even admits to rape and incest.  Ask him about his daughter or grand daughter too.  Hate to tell the rabid anti-choicers but their politicians who spew the rape and incest BS aren't really anti-choice.  They're really pro-choice, they're just pandering.   And that's exactly what Scott is doing.

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Only if you believe in the death penalty.


"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
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McInnis Does.
If you don't, the the only logical sentence for both is life in prison without the opportunity of parole.  Same thing.
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Thanks for calling it what it is:
Anti-choice. Anti-choice doesn't necessarily mean pro-life as many anti-choicers are for the death penalty, for wars of choice or just bombing the hell out of the dang Muslims and against quality health care, necessary for maintaining life, as a human right. Those are not pro-life views by any reasonable definition of the term.
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Dishonest, Ellie...
You asked: "Do you call Obama a liar every time he modifies his views?  I don't think so."

Um, you're (consciously) missing the point. McInnis isn't a liar because he changed his view. He's a liar because he lied about changing his view. Should I explain it to you more slowly??

AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."

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Actually he lied about what he did
before he changed his views.

He was active in a splinter Republican group that bucked the politically correct positions of that day and now disavows any knowledge of said activities.  That is either being untruthful to the point of lying or being so dim about your actions that you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the governors mansion.

What a mindless dolt if it just turns out that he can't remember what he did ten years ago.  It gets even worse if he disavows his actions because he is afraid of Maes and wants to hide his past from the primary electorate.  That's not going to work anyway.

After such a clumsy effort to hide his past, I once again have to appreciate Ritter and the Democratic Party.  His position on the issue was at odds with his primary voters but the party allowed him his personal convictions and didn't hold it against him.  The outcome was that the state benefited from having a moderate Democrat lead the state during these times of crisis rather than an extreme Republican.  Ritter and the Democratic Party handled their differences regarding this issue correctly.  McInnis not so much.  Ritter is da man.

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In Fairness
McInnis has no choice in the monolithic Republican Party of today.  He toes the line or he gets defeated.  Ask Ellen Roberts about that.
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But he does have a choice in whether
he tries to hide his past positions and statements.

It is ironic that he chose poorly his response to these revelations but doesn't want to be held accountable of his past but he is absolutely positively behind holding a young teenage girl accountable for her mistakes.  Is this the kind of behavior that we should condone in someone seeking high elective office?

"Look at the birdie over there because there is nothing to see over here regarding my past because it doesn't exist because I never strayed from the herd.  I swear".

This is kind like the "You have to believe me when I tell you the dog ate my homework but I really did have it ready to turn in today" excuse.  Lame is being too kind.

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More like the , "You have to believe me ...
when I tell you I donated BIG to charity. I'm not going to release tax returns or name the charities, but it was big."

I blame Ritter's O&G regs.

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Yeah...
Definitely better to hold the baby accountable for her mistakes.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
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I think you meant fetus?
A baby is that thing that breaths and Republicans no longer care about helping.

Fetus, The Unborn, The Golden Calf of politics is all Republicans care about so please get your terms correct.

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So bj which is worse
a woman who is not yet ready to raise a child because of either physical, psychological or economical conditions and is accountable for the death of one fetus or Republicans who embrace war as the solution to political conflicts and support unrestrained jingoism and unnecessary invasions and are complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands? Who has more blood on their hands and who should be held accountable for their sins?  A woman can become pregnant later and have a beautiful child with a personality and promise.  Those innocents killed by Republican warmongers will be missed by those who knew them and their lives will be shattered forever.

There is also the accelerated destruction of our environment at the hands of Republicans promoting unregulated capitalism and the power of corporations.  Is killing our planet in the name of profits still considered Pro-Life because of the hatred for government regulations?

Who are the real monsters bj?

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From the left of several Democrats to the right of Bob Schaffer
That's change we can believe in. Yeah, it's totally believable.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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Was He Chairman?
You included in the second paragraph: "...the Denver Post reported last year was formerly chairman of Republicans for Choice"

It's even more damning about his "memory lapse" if he had been the freakin Chairman of the organization, and not just a name listed on the letterhead.

Does anyone have confirmation that he had been the Chairman of Republicans for Choice?

"Those who can't do, comment."

from a New Yorker cartoon

Good Catch
When you blow up the picture, it shows him as on the "Advisory Board."
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Was He the Chairman of the Group???
That does not answer my question about whether he was ever the Chairman of Republicans for Choice.  ColoPols says that the Denver Post reported that he was formerly the chairman.

Well, was he or wasn't he?


"Those who can't do, comment."

from a New Yorker cartoon

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Amnesia from as recently as 2004?
RFC 2004 letterhead with Scott McInnis name still on there. http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-...
Oh my Gosh!
And he was on the Board of Advisors of a company that was questioned by the Federal Election Commission.  He should be tarred and feathered and have his citizenship removed.  At least that's what today's "Republican Party" would say about it.   As I said, you make your bed and then you have to sleep in it, in this case with fleas.

I can hardly wait for the commercial.  "Cue scary music.  Scott Mcinnis was on the Board of a political action committee accussed of violating federal election laws.  How can we trust scott mcinnis with our money or our state government.  He can't even be trusted to fill simple disclosures of campaign finances."   There are just too many alternatives.  I'll let the fearsome foursome figure out how to do this if McInnis even lasts until the genreal.

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Craig, I've been gone all day and just caught up on the posts.
Very good job of laying out the facts snd identifying the real issues. I'm not prepared to out myself today but we have known each other for a long time and I suspected you were "Craig."

Like you, I've left the Republican Party. The Party is run by a bunch of people who simply cannot accept objective facts like the fact Mr. McInnis was pro-choice no matter what he says now and his or Mr. Duffy's statements that he can't remember is ludicrious on its face.

In today's world, the Republican Party operates like this. There is a round hole one quarter of an inch in diameter and square peg six feet by six feet and the Republicans will tell you with a straight face the square peg goes through the little round hole because ideology says it will. The objective fact the peg is too large for the hole is totally irrelevant. Ideology dictates all policy positions and anyone who deviates even one iota from those positions is immediately labeled a RINO and told to leave the Party. Absolute acceptance of Party doctrine is required on all issues. As former St. Senator Norma Anderson said: "The Republican Party has forgotten you win elections by addition, not subtraction."

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Well said.

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Thanks.

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I am shocked, repeat shocked that Craig is "Craig" :)


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Hey Sean
Having a bad day?  I don't even know who you are.  Just remember, real Republicans have a very long memory.  You're probably too young to have been around when any of this happened.  But some of us were and are smart enough to give you a hard time.  We're the ones that got stung in 1992 when most of the play-book for the current Republican Party was created right here in Colorado.  At the time we stuck with the party.  Most of us are gone now and most of us are unaffiliates.  But remember, we also  created the playbook for dealing with you folks.  You see, we do have somewhere else to go.  We're not afraid to elect Democrats when we have to.  Ask Mike Feeley.  We also created the defenses to your kind of campaign nonsense.  You might ask Larry Liston from Arapahoe County about that.  Gary McPherson, God rest his soul, was a proudly pro-choice and pro-gay rights Republican from south Arapahoe County and kicked that right-winger's ass in 1996, even after Gary had cast a vote against a gay bashing bill.  

Wish you luck.  You might want to get your resume updated, don't know how long your boss is going to last.  You could take a lesson from your boss and maybe not remember having been involved in this nightmare or a campaign.

PS.  Your best response is no response.  The damage is already done.  Nothing you can do about it now.  Since Hick hasn't figured out yet that he needs to be on the air, I would recommend taking a month or so off.  Maybe you can convince some of those gun toting nut cases at the state convention to vote for your guy.  Those people, they can be fooled.  We don't really have to take them seriously, they have nowhere to go and they'll vote for us anyway because they have no choice.  Maybe you won't be seriously embarassed at the state convention.

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Anyone bailing?
Granted I only hear rumors, some probably true and some not so much. But that being said, I have a feeling that Culpepper leaving this campaign wasn't because he was moved around or kicked off but instead he saw this train wreck coming...if that rumor is true, good job him. I also heard his first political director jumped ship soon after Culpepper left...pattern? Once that temper gets a hold of someone there's no stopping it. I bet his campaign staff is getting an earful right about now.  
Instant karma's gonna get you
I just love it when opportunists are exposed for the spineless wonders they are! As a decades-long activist in pro-choice politics, I can attest to McInnis' pro-choice commitments "Scott has no memory of that. We're not even sure he was a member"...what a crock!  Craig is right--it's a delicious karma-fest.
Amen.

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In Scott's defense...
Technically, he was asked whether he was CHAIRMAN of Republicans for Choice, not merely on its ADVISORY BOARD.

Scott has "no memory" of being the CHAIRMAN - I guess either way, whether he was or wasn't! So even if it turns out he WAS the Chairman, that's technically not a lie you can hang on him.

(Now I'll admit it does raise the issue of whether he has some moderate to severe memory loss issues. It's vaguely possible I might not recall all the organization's I've BELONGED to during my life, but I'm pretty sure I could tell you all the organizations I've actually chaired or headed, going all the way back to being Patrol Leader of the Beaver Patrol (seriously) during my wonderful years as a Boy Scout nearly half a century ago.

And as for the other part of his statement, all his mouthpiece said was "we're not even sure" whether he was a member of Republicans for Choice. And there again, technically Scott is avoiding being painted into the corner as a liar. "We're not even sure" simply isn't a denial; it just looks really, really stupid.

And technically, even if he was a member of an "Advisory Board" that might not be the same as being a card-carrying "member." To paraphrase a certain ex-President who had problems with his own member, it all depends on what your definition of "member" is.

So you see? Scott is totally in the clear. Move along, nothing to see here...  

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

Hahahahahahahaha.
Just another Republican trick.  Gosh, we've seen them all today.  First there is the feint (See Ellie above about Hick).  Then there's the he really didn't mean it (see comments about inhaling above).  Now we have the techincally he didn't lie defense.  This is so predictible and so fun.  Give it up guys.  I gave you the best advice above.  Take your lumps and move on.  Why do you continue down this path?  Are ya stupid?
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HGF is, I'm 99% sure, a Dem
So I believe he was speaking in jest.

Will ArapaGOP rescind his factually incorrect assertion regarding Rep. Coram and his son?
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I don't believe it was "jest"
so much as pointing out the hypocrisy of McInnis and his supporters.

Maybe it was too subtle for some people.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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Now, if Dick Wadhams were AGAINST McInnis...
All we'd be hearing is "Abortion-loving lobbyist Scott McInnis."

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner
If Dick Wadhams is smart
He's sending his resume out. If Buck & Maes are on the general ballot Wadhams is shut out from every Republican of consequence. (I previously thought Maes didn't have much of a chance, but now...)

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How do you know so much about Republican politics...
because you're always exactly right. I originally thought he wouldn't make it after the caucuses but the pro-Buck wave is helping him too. Like Norton, McInnis is self-destructing.  

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
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I think it is because they are stuck
between two polical paradigms. They are both trying to play it both ways and neither is sharp enough to pull it off.

The Republican Party nowadays is a neurotic, circular firing squad, and both Norton and Mcinnis thought they could lead, only to find themselves standing in the center of the circle. Neither will survive...politically, I mean.

"A popular government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or, perhaps, both."  James Madison

[ Parent ]
Got me - pure luck?


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F, dave!
grow a damn ego and start charging $350/hr for political consulting.  jesus. :-)

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy
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