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Thursday Open Thread

by: Colorado Pols

Thu Nov 12, 2009 at 06:43:47 AM MST


"Error always addresses the passions and prejudices; truth scorns such mean intrigue, and only addresses the understanding and the conscience."

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Not sucking up, Pols,
but...great find on the quote.

And the men who hold high places, must be the ones to start, to mold a new reality, closer to the heart. Rush/ 1977

The circular firing squad has reloaded...
....it may be that I will see the Death of the Repub Party, squashed into pieces by it's towering stupidity...

Lindsay Grahm censured by SC GOP

Republican leaders in a South Carolina county have censured their own U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham for working with Democrats on a climate bill and other legislation.

The Republican has often worked with Democrats in Congress, but Charleston County Chairwoman Lin Bennett says his work on climate legislation is the last straw.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.c...

Any plans to change the name from Republican to American Whig party?

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


Did you catch that Grahm is considered one of the most conservative?
In light of the apoplexy, it's probably worth remembering that Graham hasn't moved to the center. Let's once again take a look at the always-helpful VoteView analysis, which ranks lawmakers from the most liberal to the most conservative. In the current Congress, #1 is Dick Durbin (furthest to the left), #100 is Tom Coburn (furthest to the right). Graham is tied for #82, meaning only 17 senators are to his right.

Wonder what they do to real moderates.  Pitchforks at midnight?

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson


[ Parent ]
Wow.
Good catch and good point.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Graham's rep in DC
is that he has always been willing to work with whoever he needs to to get his priorities done.  The backlash here is against that, and it's ominous.  It's the "never work with the enemy" attitude which in reality means, "never get anything done" but plays well with the rabid base.  

Before his prez run, McCain was the same way, as was Trent Lott.  When Lott lost his majority leader post to McConnell because of his racist comments at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, a lot of Senate D's were pissed because they knew they could actually work with Lott and not with McConnell.

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Graham's rep in DC...
...Is also that he's a closet case.

Any thoughts that might have something to do with it?

"You're getting your ass kicked in this thread beej, but you're too dumb to figure that out." - Ralphie


[ Parent ]
probably not
half of them are hiding something.  Didn't push Larry Craig to be less of an a-hole.  He was a first class a-hole (in my experience, second only to Don Nichols) all the way to the end.  

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


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SC Repubs can't deal with any more sex scandals
   First, there's their Luv Guv and his Argentine Soulmate.  
  Then they had that former Repub State Rep and Assistant A.G. who was caught in the cemetery last week with 18 year old stripper, the dildoes and viagra.  
  And their Lt. Guv, who is running to replace Mark Sanford next year, is rumored to be gay.
   

[ Parent ]
and he was one of the impeachment managers during Bill Clinton's impeachment trial
You would think that they would show some gratitude to him for that!

[ Parent ]
If Graham is too liberal for today's GOP
Just how do they expand that 19% tent now?

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By contracting the voting population
I'm sure they long for the days when African Americans couldn't vote and they probably would prefer if women couldn't vote considering the GOP gender gap.

To achieve these gains they work hard to disenfranchise young people (the population is highly mobile and needs registration laws that accommodate the lifestyle) and minorities (why they really hate Acorn-voter registration).

If you cut the voting population in half suddenly 19% is 38% wah-la


[ Parent ]
In 2008 Ann Coulter
said the country would be better off if women couldn't vote since they lean Dem. Really makes me wonder about that adam's apple.

[ Parent ]
maybe add a property ownership qualification to register to vote, too


[ Parent ]
As of now...
Groups like ACORN are trying to remove the picture ID requirement to vote.

The pendulum is all the way on the other side of the room, eh?

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Pendulum swing?
Led by Republican women?

"A female state senator says if women's suffrage were being voted on today she would not support it, because the 19th Amendment was the start of a decades-long erosion of family values.
"I'm an old-fashioned woman, Senator. Kay O'Connor told The Kansas City Star. "Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women (today) 'we wouldn't have to vote."


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What a fucking idiot.
Seriously. How does she think she got to the State Senate? Because women (whom she thinks should stay barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen) voted for her. And why is she holding down a job instead of staying home and taking care of her roses and her man? Because of her self admitted rising health care costs. Hehehehe. Oh man. This from a woman who is a member of a political party that is doing everything they can to gut meaningful reform for 40 million people.

The Republican Party has become an embarrassing parody of itself.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie


[ Parent ]
Ironically
Kansas was the first real battleground for women's suffrage. The state was considered the most progressive in the country in the middle of the 1800s, so much so that feminists thought it would be the easiest state to win.

Bring back S[redacted]e H[redacted]y!

[ Parent ]
Yeesh.
Talk about adding insult to injury, you know?  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Yeesh.
Talk about adding insult to injury, you know?  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Why does my shit always double post?
I would really like to know what in the world it is that I do that makes that keep happening.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Just giving the readers what they want.
Figure out how to make it post three times, make some people's day. :)

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson

[ Parent ]
Your posts are so nice
Pols has to post them twice.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, that must be it. :)


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
I blame the weak men in her life & party.


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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Hey, she is the kind of woman R men love
in Sarah Palin, Janet Rowland, Michele Bachmann, Carrie Prejean, Caitlin Upton kind of way.

[ Parent ]
Are you saying all together, or
just making  a list of various solo players?

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to update NIxon
maybe they plan to appeal to the silent imaginary majority  

"[A]ll Republicans/conservatives/tea parties have been proven wrong. Everybody knows this." BJWilson83, Republican/conservative/tea partier

"The fossil record utterly refutes evolution." BJWilson83, graduate student


[ Parent ]
Keep thinking that.
Repubs are only 20% of the population.  No need to even vote if you're a Dem.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Be more R.


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

[ Parent ]
that's just bizarre.
Seriously-  I thought ...think Graham is a lock in SC. He's going to be a US Senator as long as he chooses.

Right?


[ Parent ]
Dumb-assery, Gov Style..
...in all fairness, let me introduce the issue that has pissed off Vets and Vet advocates.

Armory plans to pull money from Veterans Trust Fund

WINDSOR - A plan to build three National Guard armories in Colorado will draw heavily on the state's Veterans Trust Fund, which supports veterans programs.

Last week, Governor Bill Ritter (D-Colorado) held a news conference to discuss the proposed construction of the armories. The training facilities would be based in Windsor, Grand Junction and Alamosa. The multi-million dollar project will likely pull all $4.6 million out of the state's Veterans Trust Fund. That money would then attract around $12 million in federal matching funds.

The Veterans Trust Fund was established years back with Colorado's tobacco settlement money. It funds programs that provide direct services to veterans like food, shelter and health care.

http://www.9news.com/news/arti...

Speaking of pitchforks and burning torches, I just got mine, and the Vet advocates of the state are assembling now ....

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


This seems so wrong . . .
armories for active duty national guard, paid for by funds dedicated to services for veterans?!!  What's the most effective way for citizens to protest this?

[ Parent ]
Yeah, Dan, keep us posted
on how we can help

"[A]ll Republicans/conservatives/tea parties have been proven wrong. Everybody knows this." BJWilson83, Republican/conservative/tea partier

"The fossil record utterly refutes evolution." BJWilson83, graduate student


[ Parent ]
First you win the CPols new word of the day award.
And we need three new armories cause why?

I mean I get the fight about Piñon Canyon - but three new armories? And when we get the 12m from the feds- does the VTF get paid back?


[ Parent ]
In case South Carolina attacks one of them
we'll still have two more left over, and two is more than one, so we'll win.

Bring back S[redacted]e H[redacted]y!

[ Parent ]
Dude- fon't get me started about SC.
they started the Civil War.
God bless him, but Lincoln should have made them leave- and kept the rest.

[ Parent ]
WTF!?
"In a sense, this is a new way to use that money for veterans because the National Guard [is made up of] veterans," Bozella said.

Now, we just need to figure out how to get homeless vets -- some with alcohol and drug problems, due to PTSD -- into the National Guard, I guess.


[ Parent ]
Fidel, Dan, Middle - Ribeye, medium rare, side of asparagus, big Cab.
Ben Nelson not so hot on the public option.

Should we set a date now no matter what happens since they'll be on recess?  I'm going to Austria with my girls until the 15th of December, so maybe something between Christmas and New Years'?

Maybe we should do it via email so JeffcoBlue isn't following me there with the night-vision goggles.  :)


"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


You're ahead on points this round...
....but don't think the fight is over. Health Care was supposedly dead in August, but it got off the mat and landed a few good punches.

I might be out of town during the Xmas-New Years break (family in Europe) so that's out.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
WTF ?
Is everyone going to Europe for friggin' Christmas except me ?  Ballroom dancing Christmas eve in Vienna perhaps ? Christmas dinner at Damsteeg ?  Bastards.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
All I know...
Is that I've been directed to put Sound of Music in the DVD at least once daily since June.

I'm still not sick of it.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I'm not buying your damn steak.
I'm be too busying going broke buying Ali beer.I'll probably have to stick to water and the bread and cracker basket by the time he gets done bleeding me dry.

You're going to Austria? God, I am so envious.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie


[ Parent ]
I was thinking...
Since Fidel is having a baby, maybe we should all just go dutch, even if I win.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Hell no LB
We made a bet.  You win, I'm buying.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
No matter what, we have to buy Fidel a round (or ten)
to celebrate the baby. And then a cab ride home. :)

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
For you, middle.

How freaking great is that?

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I may as well fess up.
When I was a kid, I made my mom watch The Sound of Music every single time it came on. I remember my dad asking my mom, "how many times does she have to watch this thing?" It's my favorite child hood movie. I know every single song by heart. I sang "Climb Every Mountain" for a singing competition. My sister and I sang "My Favorite Things" for a mother/daughter church banquet. You have no idea how much I'd love to see Austria.

And screw it, while I'm embarrassing myself, I should also admit that I loved John Denver. Are you aware that Julie Andrews suffered a throat injury a few years back and can no longer sing? Now that is a tragedy.

Thanks for the video. That just made my night.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie


[ Parent ]
I'll send you some photos.
Did you know "Edelweiss" was the last song that Rodgers and Hammerstein ever wrote together?  I think it was Oscar Hammerstein that was actually on his deathbed in the hospital and they wrote it together.  

Totally not an Austrian tune.

I love John Denver as well.  You should email me, and I'll tell you some great stories.

This clip was actually recorded in Salzburg proper.  Julie Andrews did two Christmas specials from there.  One was with Placido Domingo singing "O holy Night".

I shit you not.

:)

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Good lord, LB
John Denver?

My favorite Doonesbury episodes were the ones in which Uncle Duke would sit on his front porch in Woody Creek and shoot at John Denver's house.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Heretic.


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Do you have an email address?


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Yep.
Hereard@gmail.com.

Fidel emailed me this morning, dan last week. We should put the group together via email for the dinner.  

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I agree.
I'd prefer to do it offline. I also want some pictures of Austria. :) I'll email you here shortly.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
I loved Sound of Music
Wheedled and nagged the parents until they drove me to the movie theater to see it again.  They wouldn't take me for a third time, though, so I had to wait until I was a grown-up and a mom and could buy the movie "to show to the kid, kids love it."  My son was never impressed with it, but who cares?

We went to Europe in 1991 and spent 3 or 4 nights in Salzburg. Amazing place! We were in Europe for 4 weeks, and that was #1 on my Places to Go Back To list. We had an unfortunate collision with 3 liters (each) of Augustiner Brau one afternoon, which led to a most amusing trip back to the hotel, during which I was laughing and screaming because his shortcut through the mental hospital and across the railroad tracks wasn't working and I had to pee RIGHT NOW....

Fun times.  LB, be sure to have some Augustiner Brau but also be sure to have adult supervision.


[ Parent ]
Hehehehe.
Sound advice on the adult supervision. :)  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Julie Andrews is hot.


[ Parent ]
I met the real Maria von Trapp once at the family's lodge in Stowe, Vermont...
And, no, she wasn't singing "Do-Re-Mi," at the time.

I seem to recall a few years back some revival movie houses played "The Sound of Music," and the whole audience would intentionally sing along and get involved a la "The Rocky Horror Picture Show."

My memory is correct. Just found this article:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/S...


[ Parent ]
This isn't vacation, this is to go visit family.
Distinctly different agendas. If it were just for my Wife and I, we'd be in Ausburg for the Christmas Market and Southern Germany Skiing.

Instead, we will be trudging between family gatherings, pretending to tolerate each other.

LB, you may put in the Sound of Music, but around here, it's Home for the Holidays.  

Quote: "Well, we don't have to like each other, Jo. We're family. "

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
But you get to go to the Netherlands Dan, right ?
beautiful country IMHO, even if you have to visit the in laws.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
It's the sole saving grace...
...between trips to the inlaws, there's a stop at the Rijksmuseum, (national art gallery) Stedelijk Museum (coolest modern art museum on the planet) and numerous trips to the local pubs.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain

[ Parent ]
When there's family involved,
numerous trips to the local pubs are a necessity.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
You've called to mind some good memories...
Although my fave is still the Van Gogh Museum (love his final paintings), followed by the Rijksmuseum.

Have you been to the brewpub beneath the old windmill, Brouwerji 'tIJ?

I've only had a beer once, myself, in one of the pubs with everything stained from hundreds of years of tobacco abuse: a so-called Bruine ("brown") cafe. Didn't smoke anything there, at least, myself.


[ Parent ]
OK
I'm down with setting up something in Dec, after the 15th.  The only dates that don't work are the 18th and 19th.  My wife is due Jan 5th so obviously Jan is a REAL BAD time anyway.

I think something will definitely happen, but I don't think these loafers in the Senate will finish it this year. Say what you want about Nancy, but she does get shit done.  

Also, Ali indicated interest as well and I would like to meet him too if he still wants to go.  

Can you give me an E-mail address that dosen't reveal anything, and I'll E-mail you today ?

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
Wow! Congrats!
We'll have to check with Dan as we get closer to see if he's going to be around.

My email is on my username or account thing here at Pols.

Good luck to you and the wife.  That's awesome.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Thanks LB
I'll E-mail you, we'll check with Dan et. al. as we get closer, and go from there.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
keep me in the loop too
i still haven't made one of these and I want to, but my wife is also due (with #3) on Dec 20, so will have to play by ear.  my email is also on my profile page

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Wow! Congrats to you and yours.
Lots of happy news today and lots of babies coming here shortly.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
thanks!
don't know how i'm gonna cope with 3, but we'll make it work.  i was freaked out before #2 came, and that worked out fine


In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
When #3 arrives, the parents are outnumbered.


[ Parent ]
Fortunately it takes a couple of years for the kids to figure that out
n/t

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
It's just like basketball
1 kid: No sweat, doubleteam them
2 kids: Play man-to-man
3 (or more): Zone defense

Never assume "shill" when "idiot" is available as an explanation. [h/t Ralphie]

[ Parent ]
I have to ask,
girl or boy and do you need some booties?

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson

[ Parent ]
I didn't know you were having a baby!
That's fantastic. Congratulations.


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Hey thanks to you both droll and middle !
She's a girl.  First girl.  I'm already a total sucker for my boy so I am sure she's going to run roughshod over me.

I've always, always wanted a girl, and my Romanian mother in law is breathing into a paper bag until she gets here.  She's so damn excited.

It's a very happy time in life.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
Oh, you are going to spoil her rotten.
And well you should. And her brother is going to adore her. And she'll have a built in wingman for life, lucky little lass. I'm so happy for you.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Thanks Middle
Really hope you can join when we get together w/ LB et al.  I'll try not to bore you with my kid stories !

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
Girls are awesome
I have three and aside from the fact that they date boys (and I remember what I was like at that age) - they are an absolute joy.

Congrats!

Tom Tancredo Interview


[ Parent ]
ROFLMAO


"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson

[ Parent ]
Cheers David
and thanks.  3 girls and you survived.  That is totally impressive  

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
my first two are girls
i'm hoping #3 is a boy just so he can carry the tire iron to parties for me

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Shoot me an email, Fidel.
I have three girls.  Anything you need, I got.  Nothing like paying five times the market price for an item because they slap some color on it and make it for "kids".

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Fukc ben Nelson.
Seriously- if Reid needs this guy to get anything done there's something wrong, very wrong.


[ Parent ]
Hmmmm...
Link.

"We sent a letter to the clerk laying out the totals," Conklin said. "The key is that Hoffman conceded, which means the race is not contested. However, all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed."



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


Oh Lord.
Wouldn't that just be a kick in the ass? I bet he's wishing he hadn't conceded so early, particularly since Owens went on to vote for the House HCR bill. I can see why he conceded but did you notice that something like 84 out of more than 200 polling places called in the wrong totals? WTF is wrong with New York District 23?  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Public education, liberal Republicans, and it's NY, c'mon.
n/t

Never assume "shill" when "idiot" is available as an explanation. [h/t Ralphie]

[ Parent ]
How fast would the spin change to the Real R victory
was in NY 23- and we could got back to forgetting other states goveronor's names.

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

[ Parent ]
th current Republican party would cosnidr Pres. Nixon
a bleeding heart liberal.

Ken Buck: a man of Mr. Rove and Dick Cheney. The road forward does not use reverse.

And they would absolutely cruciify...
...Dwight Eisenhower.  

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain

[ Parent ]
Not to mention
George H.W. Bush.

[ Parent ]
only cause he was.


[ Parent ]
The Army better not screw this up...
Hasan to be charged with premeditated murder, Army official says

"FORT HOOD, Tex. -- Army officials intend to charge Maj. Nidal M. Hasan with premeditated murder in last week's killing of 12 soldiers and a civilian at Fort Hood, an Army official said Thursday."

"The murder charges are expected to be announced Thursday afternoon."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Under the Military Justice System, before a case is referred to a General Courts Martial (the most serious, and the only one that can hand down the Death Penalty) there must be an Article 32 hearing. This is somewhat like a Grand Jury, except there are extra protections built in to keep it conflict-free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

I heard rumors that the Fort Hood JAG was going to skip the Article 32 hearing, but this proves it. If the Army screws up his prosecution by bowing to political and media pressure, I'll be pissed.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


Curious about some rules, if you have a moment.
Is active military personnel always tried by military court, under any circumstances?  I was wondering if Texas is able to charge for the civilian death.

I deal with quite a bit of military, but not like this at all.  Thanks.

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson


[ Parent ]
I hate to be wishy-washy....but it depends.
There were three Supreme Court Decisions on this -

O'CALLAHAN v. PARKER, 395 U.S. 258 (1969)

RELFORD v. U.S. DISCIPLINARY COMMANDANT, 401 U.S. 355 (1971)  

and then this one, which overruled the prev ones.

SOLORIO v. UNITED STATES, 483 U.S. 435 (1987)

In that the court held: "The jurisdiction of a court-martial depends solely on the accused's status as a member of the Armed Forces, and not on the 'service connection' of the offense charged."

Since it didn't really set the record straight, most Military authorities have agreements with local and state jurisdictions on who gets to try who.

In this case, the alleged crime was committed on a military installation, against other military members (both Active Duty and Civilian employees.) If for some insane reason the military doesn't Court Martial him, the Feds would be next in line.

The only reason for that is that while the Military has a Death Penalty for a lot of charges (including rape) it very seldom executes them. There's only eight people on Death Row, and their execution has to be approved by the President.  The last military execution was in 1961, by hanging.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
Thank you.
I figured it would be wishy and/or washy.  Thank you for the info and taking the time to post it all.

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson

[ Parent ]
Trailhead
I am brand new to ColPols, and am seriously interested in keeping an eye out for any of the Trailhead neocons and tracking their actions. I am also curious to find out if anyone has tried to find the birth certificate(s) of the recent, out-of-wedlock addition(s) to the Bill Owens family. Several media types I have asked about this say they would do the story with confirmation.  We cannot let this hypocrite have any voice in future Colorado public affairs.  It is the hypocrisy, not the fact that he had extramarital affairs, that should keep his discredited voice unheard.

Why would you try to get at someone you don't agree with politically
by embarrassing that person's children?

That's a really awful thing to do.

Note that I reserve that for children who are not active in politics or who have resisted becoming public figures; i.e., it doesn't apply to Liz Cheney.

I hope you're just a troll and not the serious scumbag that your post suggests you are.


Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Or are you suggesting that the children are Owens'?
Not sure I got that right on first reading.

But still.  Babies are innocents and have no place in a political squabble.

Even if they belong to John Edwards.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
I think that's what he's insinuating.
There have been rumors circulating for years that Owens had at least one child out of wedlock. Also been rumors for years of domestic violence.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Domestic violence, he's on his own.
But outing a kid to get to his or her dad is abhorrent to me.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Yep, same here, on both of your points. n/t


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
Hey scumbag
leave children out of this.

Tom Tancredo Interview

[ Parent ]
but we could ask for Owens's birth certificate, right?


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

[ Parent ]
everyone should have to show their birth certificate for everything.
And leave the kids and their mom out of it.   If she wants/needs to make mention of anything , she will.

Research McInnis- leave Owens alone.


[ Parent ]
You guys ok with this?
Via Instapundit.

OPM is now claiming authority to weed out every former political appointee from being considered for ANY federal positions at EVERY level of the GS Pay Scale, for both the competitive AND excepted service - made RETROACTIVE for the past 5 years! (This is a new, extra layer of scrutiny previously reserved for SES hires.) OPM will now check the recommended hires to "ensure they comply with merit system principles and applicable civil service laws."

Retroactive for the last five years?  Don't you folks think this sets a bad precedent just in case a Republican ever comes into power again?

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


Please, don't make me think about the Govt Personnel System again...
...for everyone's enjoyment, here's the cited memo:

http://www.chcoc.gov/Transmitt...

Understand that Federal Hiring is already only slightly less complex than the NHL Free Agency System. This just muddies an already murky process...

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
I don't know, but
this might be something I could support. I'd just want to learn more about it, but I probably won't take the time this week to do so.

This is what I see as key:

OPM will now check the recommended hires to "ensure they comply with merit system principles and applicable civil service laws."

I think that someone working for the federal government should at least meet the qualifications for the job they are doing. (This is in contrast to those jobs that are specifically reserved for political appointees.)

I want good people in those career positions. I think that good qualified people will do the jobs they are asked to do, regardless of party affiliation. I don't want dead weight Dem appointees drawing a government paycheck and occupying a career position that could go to someone with real qualifications.

As for the retroactive stuff, I'm always a bit uncomfortable with this, but I also see this as important for this move to have any good. My understanding is that this is SOP, for outgoing administrations to fill career spots with their political appointees. This is not good.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.


[ Parent ]
I think it might be designed to prevent "burrowing"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
So...
Why make it retroactive?

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
To get rid of the burrowed Bushies, of course.
You needed to ask?

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
SSG Dan - for you.

Ultra-Realistic Modern Warfare Game Features Awaiting Orders, Repairing Trucks

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


I didn't see the KP mod, where I have to clean pots!
And where's the Pay problem level, where I get a Leave and Earning Statement that says I owe three months of combat pay (even though I was in combat?)

There better be missions where I get to unlock things like Iraqi Moonshine and Hookers....

I'm forwarding this to too many of my friends! THANKS!

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
Wow.

ACORN is suing the government over cutting off funds to it.  No.  Seriously.

The group's CEO, Bertha Lewis, says she underestimated the impact of the Congressional action. She says state, local and most private funds have been cut off as well.



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


Yes, seriously
They're claiming illegal Bill of Attainder, Fifth Amendment violations against punishment without a trial to prove guilt, and First Amendment violations against freedom of association.

IMHO, they've got a strong case.  It was dumb for Congress to name them specifically in the bill.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878


[ Parent ]
Why do you hate the Constitution?


[ Parent ]
Riiiight.
I forgot the part in the Constitution where it says we're required to funnel millions of taxpayer dollars to a corrupt organization.


"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Frankly
the Constitution is silent on that matter, but Article I, Section 9 is clear on bills of attainder.

If you've got a problem with sending federal dollars to corrupt organizations, then write the bill that way. Problem is, that would also cut off funding for most military contractors and lots of giant health care providers. Have at it.


[ Parent ]
How about payments to KBR after they covered up the rape of their employee


[ Parent ]
Or how about Medicare reimbursements
to Catholic hospitals after the church covered up the priest abuse scandal?

[ Parent ]
Um
Why are we still paying Xe (Blackwater) like $200,000,000 a year in Iraqi security contracts and they're bribing people?

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Romanoff on ACTBLUE
$20,822 is what Andrew Romanoff has raised in the past 21 days on ActBlue.com.
Last quarter he raised about 70% of his cash from ActBlue.  With the holidays coming up he may be hard pressed to match the dollars he raised last quarter.
Bennet has raised 42,099 in the same 21 day period on ActBlue only.
Bennet has 240 new ActBlue donors and Romanoff 127 in the same 21 day period.

Romanoff's problem on ActBlue
Is that he's not that Blue.  At least not compared to the people who usually do well raising money there.

Having a message might help get people excited too.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Here here
Andrew Romanoff is a centrist if he's anything and lately we aren't hearing much on anything from him except that he wants to be Senator.  

[ Parent ]
Who doesn't?


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

[ Parent ]
I don't
I hate going to meetings.

And I don't like being nice to people.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
Me either
I don't own a suit so I could never go on the floor.

Tom Tancredo Interview

[ Parent ]
Maybe they have on of those huge loaners.


[ Parent ]
Don't go. Who would ever know?
You think Bob Byrd has been in many meetings the past few years?  I love that guy, but I suspect his actual schedule is pretty thin.

[ Parent ]
Predictions ? Pat.
.
President Obama will make a stop in Afghanistan on 19 November, where he will announce his new strategy and troop levels.
He will not be photographed holding a plastic turkey.  
.

I think Fort Hood will push him not to escalate...
....I don't think it was the sole reason, but it gave him pause to consider all the options, for all reasons, from all sides.

Considering the US Ambassador to Afghanistan, (a former General) said to put the brakes on escalating, it might be that Pres Obama doesn't a "Blow 'em All Up" solution.

For those of you who say that he should listen to his generals, consider that everyone in DoD urged JFK to invade Cuba during the Missile Crisis, thinking it would be a cake walk. They didn't know about the Soviet Naval Infantry units in country, or their Tactical Nuclear Weapons.

I'm glad JFK considered all the options.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
Excellent comment
Your insight into Obama's head might be the best I've heard.....OK, top 10.

Take your time Obama....it's someone's son or daughter you're making a decision about.

Comparing Obama to JFK is nice...whether intended or not. Same level of intelligence, similar levels of problems faced, that said.....Obama has it a  lot tougher.

"I can tolerate chaos, I'm just not sure chaos can tolerate me" Dylan


[ Parent ]
That's really reaching, Barron
I mean, doesn't every President long for the day he gets photographed with a fake turkey for the troops?

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

[ Parent ]
Does anyone speculate that the info about McChrystal's role in the Tillman cover-up
will in some subtle way impact Obama's decision-making about Afghanistan?  Jon Krakauer has written a book about the Tillman friendly-fire death cover-up (Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman).  Krakauer spoke very strongly this week in an interview on CNN (sorry, I don't have a link) about McChrystal's misrepresentations to Congress, and apparent use of the Silver Star as part of the early cover-up.  I suppose we might not ever know if the new book is impacting McChrystal's current role.

[ Parent ]
Here's the video

... and here's the page with a transcript:

http://videocafe.crooksandliar...


[ Parent ]
He knew about it before he was handed the job....
...so I guess his spook/special ops background trumped his ethical flaws.

Sometime lower-level officers write this stuff up for the boss to sign. THIS is something I imagine that McSpook devoted a lot of time to, esp trying to weasel a Silver Star out of a Friendly Fire Incident.

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." Mark Twain


[ Parent ]
Not sure how this fits into the quote of the day CoPols

My question is, Was this organization under investigation by the Bush/Cheney administration? Or, is this a success of the Obama administration actually, you know, getting things done!

My comments here are not about divisive "gotcha" politics. They're about who actually accomplishes the good of the commons.

The good of the commons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Where is the error, and where is the truth, is the question.


"I can tolerate chaos, I'm just not sure chaos can tolerate me" Dylan


Must be the Bush/Cheney security carry over.


[ Parent ]
Check the filing date on the complaint
http://www.nefafoundation.org/...

This is a carry over from the previous administration, but obviously the current one is keeping the ball rolling.  Which is a good thing.

Proudly being investigated by Nancy Pelosi!


[ Parent ]
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