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April 02, 2018 04:15 PM UTC
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After 17 high school kids in Florida were killed with an AR-15 rifle, U.S. Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) took to the radio airwaves to defend the military-style semi-automatic firearm,
So how many cattle did she kill to shiot one coyote? LOL. No points for skill or markmanship just a sloppy careless shooter
The Legitimate Uses of Assault Rifles, a Comprehensive List (by Sean Paige):
1. Shooting coyotes in with the cows.
Seems like an ordinary shotgun would do the same damage, if varmint control is what you're seeking.
And pardon me if I'm naive, but wouldn't that coyote look more shredded, have more blood and bullet holes, had it been hit with an AR15 on full auto?
I grew up with my dad's lever action .30-30 in the back window of the ranch pickup. Somehow he managed to keep his 750-cow herd safe without an AR15.
We did quite well with a Remington pump action 22 and a double barrel 12 gauge.
A shotgun would be a poor choice on coyotes because of limited range. Could kill a coyote with one shot from an AR ( full auto is illegal). My preferred coyote weapon would be a bolt action 22-250 or a 223 heavy barrel with a 4 x 12 scope well sighted in. Goal should be one shot (more humane) and ammo ain't cheap.
Or maybe an 88 millimeter anti-aircraft gun deployed in an anti-tank/coyote killer mode. You can't be too careful with those beasts. The 30 millimeter Gatling gun in an A-10 Warthog firing depleted uranium shells is also a good match for a coyote. Though as allyncooper notes, the ammo can get a mite expensive on full auto, with a rate of fire of 4,000 rounds a minute.
Why not use a grenade launcher?
A-10 Warthog would certainly be a good choice for coyote control, but if more firepower was needed I'd opt for the AC-130 gunship
Coming next month in the “Sean Paige Colorado Farming/Ranching How-To” series: . . .
Carp Problems in Your Farm Pond? (. . . So, Why do You Think God Created Hand Grenades?)
In the Seabees in WWII my father would take a boat out in a lagoon, find a school of fish, and depth charge them with a hand grenade. The man never fished with a rod and reel his entire life – just hand grenades.
Sure and we should use VX to clear gophers, too.
Never . . .
. . . underestimate gophers!
(. . . little fuckers probably have evolved gas masks by now!? . . .)
I'm convinced this is the way to solve (or at least mitigate) the desire for these trimmed down weapons of war-ridicule. There's no defense against it.
"I guess you need a high-powered rifle like that if you're a lousy shot. Just keep firing 'til you hit something, right?'
Except the AR 15 is such a wimp's weapon. For close in personal combat, I much prefer the flame thrower. They sell a propane model at Cabela's.
Seriously, why do y'all think the AR is so powerful? It is basically a .22LR with a bit more powder. Also, they aren't full auto as some commenters seem to think. Grandpa's 30-06 hunting riffle has a much larger round with even more powder. Why is that safe but the AR is a magic killing machine?
you arrived long after the discussion and you are wrong about the ballistics of a .223
Demsleft, you are the only one here who thinks the AR15 is full auto. And, no, the ,.223 is not a .22 — it's necked down and carries considerably more kinetic energy in a low-stability round that can tumblr through flesh and cause terrible injuries. As to the 30-06, that's basically my classic 03 Springfield. Yep, a bigger round, but a five shot magazine, unlike the 100 round AR 15 magazine preferred by child killers.
The 03 makes a fine hunting rifle but that full metal jacket thing was intended to avoid the dum-dum bullet effect of the m16 .223 round.
I shot expert on the M16 in my West Point days. I own a Garand M1, an M-1 carbine and an O3 Springfield as well as a Short Magazine Lee Enfield, a mauser, and a couple shotguns. So if you think you can "gunsplain" on the theory that you know more technical detail, you came to the wrong board. You don't know dip-squat, long rifle boy.
You can spray a coyote to death. You can justify this particular use because this is a nuisance predator by human standards. Penetration by any projectile is destructive and bitterly painful. Even a head shot can be survived. Those that have survived a bullet wound will always have residual physical difficulties. I have seen life snuffed from one bullet and death by many. It is never something you get used too. I say this because the very existence of a living creatures concludes the right to their life.
It is chilling to see people support the use of a "killing" weapon for predators. Extrapolation of those predators to encompass varied members of the human race and you can see where this can go.
(P.S. If you look what happened in the 1920's through to 1940 in the area of the Oklahoma Panhandle, in southeast Colorado, northeast New Mexico, and southwest Kansas; Besides the severe drought, besides the digging up of the sod and prairie grasses and the planting of only and repeatedly, wheat; the farmers and ranchers exterminated ALL predators and caused a rabbit plague of Biblical proportions. Watch Ken Burns "Dust Bowl" if you don't like to read history. )
Good points, Benita. Yet I aspire to chickens, and my hypothetical chickens will need some protection against coyotes and ??? (My chicken- loving peeps are always mourning the nightly disappearances of their feathered friends). Keeping dogs is not a solution, as a dog capable of defending against a coyote would probably grab a quick chicken dinner, too.
I would think that poisoning coyotes might have some disastrous environmental consequences, too. A shotgun or simple rifle is a tool I know how to use. I wouldn't be looking to disrupt the high plains ecosystem – just keep my egg-layers safe. So what is your eco-friendly solution for chicken protection?
And no, I am not interested in joining this thread's testosterone-fueled imaginary arms race. I don't want any advice on calibers or boasting about how big your guns are and how far or accurately you can shoot.
Amusing, but boring. If you do have an idea about how to protect a small group of chickens from usual predators, let me know.
Chain link or wire fencing . . .
. . . rarely has anyone killed themselves, accidentally or intentionally, or anyone else, with fencing.
Seriously, Bonita, any trap or poison that will kill a coyote will kill a dog or a child. As Diogenes said, the best protection for chickens is just a good fence.