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Deeply shameful behaviour by Mitchell, w ho I once respected.
You must have known Mitchell long before I ever met him; I have never seen him when my first thought hasn’t been that there is something seriously wrong with him.
Between his admitted alcoholism, and obvious mental health issues; he's a mess.
Mitchell has been a pig for a long, long time. Conduct unbecoming, but par for the course
Mitchell just escalated a fairly minor incident into full blown vicious misogyny. Way to court female voters for your party, Mitchell. I can guarantee that all of the GOP women have also been called "whores", "full of shit", or ugly for daring to disagree or dissent with the prevailing male wisdom.
Larry Crowder, on the other hand, is one of the genuine nice guys in the southern Colorado legislature. Obviously we don't agree much on politics, but he has made some real efforts towards bipartisan cooperation. Crowder practices governance, not posturing for the most extreme people in the GOP base.
Had Crowder just acknowledged and apologized for grabbing ass and making some off-color jokes, followed Lontine's request to educate himself about sexual harassment, then Mitchell would have had no fuel to pour gasoline on.
But we live in a time when no GOP male can acknowledge any sexist behavior, no matter how minor. It's an all-or-nothing, take no prisoners, admit nothing, blame the victim circus.
So, Shawn Mitchell is dirt. Tell me something I didn't know. My wife had a couple of run-ins with him a few years ago while working against US Term Limits. She thought he was icky then.
Mitchell has a long history of harassing women. I worked at Gold Dome High School when he was there, and it's not a pretty picture.
I'm sure. Someone who gets that rageful over an incident he's not even personally involved in has personal issues with sexual harassment.
Where is "Gold Dome High School"? Is that making fun of the Capitol?
When I was there, it's what we all jokingly called it. Should be obvious.
More like preschool.
One of the more interesting questions I sometimes ponder is…why do people choose to be Republicans?
I am sure there are numerous reasons, but most of the ones I imagine are selfish and hateful ones.
I'm a Republican because it simply makes sense. And I was raised that way by parents who were traditional, compassionate, common sense, fiscally conservative Republicans.
I will offer that with pigs like Mitchell & Trump presenting themselves as Republicans these days; and all the religious b.s. that has infested the Party; it is harder to be a Republican.
But the "free stuff for everybody" far left mentality that infests the Dem party also these days is not attractive either. In a recent post, someone still was lamenting the loss of the health care Amendment, I think 66, couple years ago. If passed, 66 would have tripled my state taxes with no benefit at all accruing to me.
Since when has the Republican Party actually been fiscally conservative? Reagan, Bush, Bush and Trump have all exploded the budget deficit.
What do you mean "free stuff for everybody"? I pay my taxes, and in return I expect certain services from the government.
I pay into Social Security insurance, therefore I am entitled to Social Security payments when I get older. I pay into Medicare insurance, therefore I am entitled to Medicare health care when I get older.
Are you against public schools, public universities, public highways, public research into climate change? Yep, those are all "free stuff we get".
Obviously there is a spectrum between Libertarian, and Socialism. All democracies are some kind of Social Democracy in the middle.
"free stuff for everybody" = Bernie Sanders platform items.
But… Bernie wasn't proposing "free stuff"
His proposals that got the closest were not about 'free stuff' – they were about publicly investing in things that benefit the whole country.
Including public ed, K-16. Medicare 'for all.' and similar.
Medicare isn't free.
Neither is education.
For that matter, neither is the airport, the interstate highway system, the US Post Office, the Patent Office, the FCC, etc.
Bernie proposed free college tuition.
Free tuition like that offered by Norway, France, Finland, Sweden, Germany, and Slovenia? Mexico and Brazil also have very low-cost university educations. Add Denmark and the Czech republic to the list.
And Hillary herself bowed to Bernie's popularity and promised free tuition at state universities and community colleges – late in her campaign.
The rationale behind these policies is clear – it's in a country's interest to have a well-educated, skilled population capable of earning a decent income from work.
Right now, people like myself who took out student loans in the 80s and 90s will be in student loan debt hell well into our retirements. There are teacher loan forgiveness programs, but only for science and math teachers or more recent graduates – not for middle aged English teachers. What I repay the bank for my loans does not go to stimulate the economy – it goes to bankers that already have gigantic profit margins.
Free tuition, at least at state run institutions, looks like a much better option all around.
Norway has a population of about 4 million and a sovereign wealth fund of hundreds of billions of dollars thanks to oil revenues. Not a good example. While the US has a 20 trillion dollar national debt being added to this year by the Trump/Ryan/McConnell tax cut for billionaires, with billions more in unfunded pork spending for the military and social programs.
Bernie would have made much more sense if he had talked about low cost education at trade schools. The country needs computer techs, repair persons of all kinds, surgical techs, etc., more than we need more liberal arts grads (much as I like the liberal arts–I'm such a grad myself).
Germany's population is 83 million. England's is 53 million. Brazil's is 207 million. Next excuse?
I do agree that many students would be better off with trade school degrees or certifications, which would allow them to at least earn a decent income in a short amount of time.
I wonder about why you would limit your endorsement of public funds to only trade school certifications.
Germany, England, the Nordic countries, Mexico, and Brazil clearly feel that there is value in graduates having knowledge of literature, history, and mathematics, as opposed to "alternative facts".
I have an associates degree in passive solar design; right after I got it, the solar credits were sunsetted, so the AAS did not help me to get employed. However, the extensive math and computer courses in the coursework have stood me in good stead over the years, and many of those community college credits transferred to 4 year colleges.
So the US is too big?
325 million vs. over 500 million in the zero (virtually zero) tuition part of the EC
I get it – they have oil and trains and stuff.
Wait… what?
The Swiss system is interesting: complete Swiss High School (they have a different set up) and you have open admission to any Swiss college. 50 euro per year to register, 0.00 The most competitive schools (ETH, Laussane) have no exams in Y1 – until the end, then comprehensive exams for everyone. If you don't pass – you don't move on.
The other European countries vary – France, Germany and Sweden have a competitive application process, most have Y1 exams – but they all realize that investment in higher ed is a net positive.
Yes, Bernie talked about not charging tuition to the students. Not exactly 'free'
But let's compare –
the EC (not UK) gets an educated group of youth who are motivated to do well and graduate ready to contribute.
The US gets a smaller percentage of educated youth, who mostly graduate with debt (and a fair amount of resentment now since they can;t buy houses and start livin the dream)
Wait, wait, wait . . .
. . . You’re saying that Norway somehow taxes their oil industry?????? . . . And, then, they actually use that money to run a budget surplus and provide services and education to their population??????
. . . I guess that’s the crazy, wierd un-American stuff you get when you provide college education to your citizens, huh!?!
It's as if we don't have an oil industry to tax ?? Anyone remember Amendment 58?
Stumbled on to this op-ed written by Randy Udall (RIP, good fellow) in 2008. A good read.
Will I be reimbursed for the years of college and grad loans I took out and repaid? When I borrowed the money, I knew I'd have to pay it back. Why are millennials different?
a. We learn from mistakes.
b. Its become a large and becoming larger negative impact on our overall economy.
I recall a time when there was no Social Security, no Medicare, no Medicaid. Hell – I've read that once upon a time only white men could vote.
c. things change.
US has an exploding national debt of over $20 trillion, which Germany doesn't have nor Switzerland nor the Scandinavian countries. Brazil has other problems, like corrupt government (which US also has now thanks to Trump).
Until fairly recently free, or nearly free, tuition was a feature of many state university systems . That allowed students to graduate nearly debt-free, made high quality college education available to all, and served as a brake on private school tuition.
So why can't we do today what, historically, was both possible and damn good public policy?
Cause we're broke.
Name one state not California that could afford to fund higher ed so tuition ?
New York, and 12 other states pay for local grads to attend state universities , technical schools, and community colleges. A good investment.
Pay now or pay for social services and crime later.
Sorry to say, CHB, those people left your party and became "U"s a long time ago, if not conservative Dems. My wife was one of them.
"U s?" There is a large number of us still around. After all, somebody will have to rebuild the party after Trump and the religious right get bounced out beginning in November and finishing the job in 2020. I think there's a good likelihood Trump will have a primary opponent in 2020. At this point in time,
even Ted Cruz would be better.
This is probably the first time I’ve ever seen when “Ted Cruz” and “better” both appear in the same sentence?
Not "us", CHB, unaffiliateds.
And the old-fashioned,”do what’s good for business and stay out of peoples’ bedrooms” Republicans have been trying to get their party back since the late 70s.
That wasn't written as "us." Supposed to be U + s.
Cruz?
born in Canada to a Canadien mother and a Cuban father.
How is he eligible?
Paging Orley Taitz. There is a birther issue on the horizon.
Only cause he was, ya know, born in Canada.
As Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the Democratic Party, it left me. When I switched to the GOP in 1976, the Democrats had just gone off the deep end in foreign policy, protectionism, and big government.
Bill Clinton and the DLC brought the party back to earth. But Norquist "drown government" policies destroyed the base for moderate Republicans and finally, in 09, I reregistered as a Democrat.
Besides the Tea. Party, the Bible thumping social conservatives drove me out of the GOP.
Why single out US Foreign policy in 1976? Are you thinking of when the people of Iran over-threw the Shah installed by the CIA in the 1950s? (Textbook example of chickens coming home to roost.)
US Foreign policy has been morally bankrupt for decades:
The Vietnam war in the 1960s sponsored by both parties. The Republican war on Latin American democracy: Military dictatorships installed in Brazil 1964, Uruguay 1973, Chile 1973, Argentina 1976. Reagan buying weapons from Iran to send to the Contras in Reagan's dirty war on Nicaragua in support of the viscous dictator Somoza, then the dirty war in El Salvador and Guatemala.
The 1960s? Well, both parties were war-mongers in Vietnam, but the left-wing of the Democratic Party finally forced the Party establishment to back off. As for the Republicans, I'll never forgive Kissinger's "secret" bombing war on Laos & Cambodia (Not secret from the people being bombed, of course, just from the US people!)
The Middle Eastern wars of Bush Sr and Bush Jr.
What war do you suppose Trump will start to boost the Republican elections in 1918?
Seriously, when was the Golden Era of Us Foreign Policy?
Somoza, "viscous" or otherwise, was dead by the time the contras rebelled against Daniel Ortega's Sandinistas.
Otherwise, I think a screed that reviles Henry Kissinger without a word of criticism for Pol Pot makes my case that the Democrats kind of went off the deep end in the mcgovern era.
Kissinger deserves every screed thrown at him, regardless
He pretty much agrees with that. It’s just that the only defense for an indefensible is an even greater indefensible? . . .
(. . . first one to Hitler!? Godwin.)
Bullshit straw man argument on Pol Pot.
The contras were trained, funded and supported by the US CIA under Ronald Reagan…
You sir, need to read some history.
How does this relate to Shawn Mitchell being a pig?
Ask Duke, he's the one who hijacked this thread.
Duke didn't hijack the thread. He was merely commenting on Shawn Mitchell being a Republican.
Actually, Duke asked why anybody would choose to be a Republican. In my case, Satan promised me 70 virgins. But the bastard lied and I had to settle for Hope Hicks’ cellphone number. And it was busy.
😉
Oh, God. You didn’t!!?!! Here we go . . .
Shit!
. . . it’s gonna’ be a long weekend.
Think I’ll watch the Olympics . . .
You are the one who needs some history. You claim the contras were supporting the "viscous" Somoza. Well, I'll grant he was an oily little swine, but he was also dead.
And only a left wing whack job would blame Henry Kissinger for Cambodia's ills while ignoring Pol Pot.
Yes, it was that kind of Blame America First radicalism that helped prod me to join the Republican Party in 1976. I you don't like it, you can lump it.
"(ParkHill)…. Chile in 1973………" Salvador Allende wasn't exactly a democracy oriented kind of guy.
“Reagan’s dirty war in Nicaragua……….” Funny that Daniel Ortega is still in office there in 2018.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.
Possibly Venezuela, or Phillipines.
You left out several.
I get why – there's too many.
But I'm more left than most and to be perfectly honest, if the USA could find a way to redraw the border from Brownsville to Cabo, or just El Paso to Cabo, I might get on board.
Wasn't Shawn Mitchell the dude who used to fantasize about Morgan Carroll in nothing but her underwear? Why should anyone be surprised by this?
I think if you tallied the men who secretly had fantasies about the beautiful and brilliant Morgan Carroll, you'd probably have a census of every heterosexual male in Colorado.
Perhaps. That may or may not be true. . . (But, kudos to you for such a “Presidential” defense of Mitchell’s scumbaggery. ;~) . . .)
Still, you gotta’ admit (?) it takes a special level of pig to voice that out loud, publicly, during an official legislative committee hearing, about its chairwoman . . .
. . . I will concede from the outset, however, that Mitchell is likely nowhere near as bad as Pol Pot was. 😉
It is absolutely wrong to voice such thoughts in a public meeting. As I said, such thoughts should be "secret."
The thought police should stay in the public sector, and if you goon off in a committee meeting, you are their lawful prey. Your private thoughts are between you and your Kleenex box.
The fact is that even Morgan's mom is hot, a savvy, witty, woman.
i talked with her mom a couple times and enjoyed it immensely.
Perhaps Mitchell wasn’t giving public voice to any secret thoughts he held about a woman’s beauty, maybe he was just being publicly demeaning of her, her gender, her politics, and her chairwomanship?
I had forgotten that Mitchell took off on her in the committee. I thought it was just some offhand remark. No, in public, that's just goon behaviour.
And, I take back that “Presidential” insult . . .
. . . it was nasty, and undeserved. Sorry.
So as I remember from committee hearings back in 2000+, Mitchell (then a Rep.) was a sanctimonious religious right family values guy. Hmmmmm..
He also had his sights on the Attorney General's position. Not sure why he didn't run.
Skeleton in his closet, maybe?
Ladies and gentlemen, Senate District 23, where trash rises to the top despite the efforts of some to keep it properly tamped down.
This is utterly unsurprising considering the source. Mitchell is a weeping pustule on the left buttock of humanity.