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Pols Poll: Governor (Republicans)

by: Colorado Pols

Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 12:00:00 PM MDT


As we've done in other election years, we regularly poll our readers on various races to gauge changing perceptions. These obviously aren't scientific polls, but they do help to show how the perception of various candidates are changing. We'll conduct these polls each month and then show the results to see how the winds are shifting.

As always, please vote based on what you think will happen, not on who you would vote for or which candidate you support personally. Think of it this way: If you had to bet the deed to your house, who would you pick?

Throughout the rest of the week we'll poll on the other big races for 2010.
Colorado Pols :: Pols Poll: Governor (Republicans)
Poll
Who Will Be the Republican Nominee for Governor?
Josh Penry
Scott McInnis

Results

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Pols Poll: Governor (Republicans) | 41 comments
I'm hesitant to vote
before I know if Penry can keep up in the fund-raising department. If he can be even close to McInnis, he wins, if not then it'll be more interesting.

"If someone just sticks to shutting the fuck up, can they still go outside and play a game of hide and go fuck yourself?" -- Fidel's Dirt Nap


before I know if Penry can keep up in the fund-raising department
   Doesn't matter.  Josh Penry will not win the nomination, Scott McInnis will lose it (in every sense of the word).
  Even if McInnis raies 4 times as much $$$ as Penry, he's bound to erupt (a la Caplis and Silverman Show) a few more times between now and August '10.  One of those eruptions will end his candidacy.  It will be a "Macaca Moment" for him.
  If it weren't for McInnis' temperment, he would probably end up being the nominee.

P.S.   As a Dem, I would like to see Scooter keep the cork in place until after the primary, and then see him come unglued in the general election campaign.  But we probably won't be that lucky.

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I don't know why it's news
that McInnis has a temper. He always has, and people in the 3rd CD didn't give a damn.

Actually, Scooter's temper isn't near as much fun as Ben Campbell's was--now there was an eruption.

McInnis will be fine, provided he can outraise Penry by a large margin. Penry is going way to fast for a lot of Republicans, but he'd be the best candidate (from a Dem perspective) against Ritter.

Sometimes, I guess, you have to let the inner bitch out.

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Fondly remembering ...
Campbell's temper. So many memories. Thanks, gertie.

P.S., Roy Romer could go ballistic as well as any of them. But Ben erupted more frequently.

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Different era
Had George Allen said "macaca" at a campaign rally in 2000, he would have still gotten re-elected because no one would have had digital camcorders and YouTube.

McInnis can't get away with it anymore.

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Exactly
That's part of what I mean by McInnis has no idea how to campaign today. You do something stupid and it remains as part of the story for the rest of the campaign.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Wadhams ran his campaign
and because of it, Colorado got stuck with Dick Wadhams.  

"...Penry...would be a shitty Governor." -Ralphie
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Penry is to Romanoff What McInnis is to Bennet
Go with me on this one.  We have two young, smart, dedicated public servants (Penry and Romanoff) going up against well-heeled insiders who think the nomination is owed to them.  McInnis will probably outraise Penry 2 or 3 to one...but I think Penry and Romanoff are both betting on building a critical mass of activist support -- and making their respective campaigns about substantive issues.  Corner McInnis and ask him what the practical effect of Ritter's union executive order was and he'll most likely have a melt down or make some shit up about Fort Carson.  Similarly, ask Bennet what needs to happen with the Colorado River Compact long term and he'll probably bore you to sleep with a speech about motions to invoke cloture on a bankruptcy bill.  

Further, Romanoff and Penry know what they believe and they are are idea guys.  Contrast that with the insider candidates (McInnis and Bennet) who have no message and are campaigning on the "it's my turn" argument.  McInnis performance at this weekend's straw poll proves my point.  

Another practical question worth considering is which of the two insider candidates (McInnis or Bennet) will Anschutz spend the most money on?  He likes 'em both, but can he play both sides?

I suppose :"dedicated public servant"
is one way to describe a guy who has never held down a job outside of politics.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
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Takes One To Know One

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Excuse me?


Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
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My bad.
Advising the faltering campaign of Bernie Buescher is probably "private sector" experience to some.  

Further, working to find uranium deposits throughout the west so you can flip them to an international company for exploitation is probably "private sector" experience as well:

http://www.gjsentinel.com/feat...

Glass house, my friend.  Glass house.

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What are you opposed to?
1. Mining
2. Nuclear Energy
3. Start ups
4. Private sector employment
5. People leaving the private sector to become in politics
6. Blogs
7. Free Speech
8. People who disagree with you

I am not sure what you are trying to say about Ralphie, but I do believe it is uncalled for.  

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I know, I know!!!
Anyone in category (8) TCG finds unacceptable.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Easy, fellas.
I fully support 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and I tolerate 8.  What I DO NOT support is hypocrisy.  Not saying I've never been guilty of it, but you all are quick to jump on me when it happens...so I don't hesitate go do the same for others.  We all keep each other honest, right?
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No keeping you honest, though
Ralphie made the point that Penry could be described as a ``dedicated public servant'' if you define it by those who have been on the public dole their entire adult lives.

Which Penry has been.

Accusing Ralphie of same is flat wrong.

So how do you explain Penry's love for the dole?

Sometimes, I guess, you have to let the inner bitch out.

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I suspect
his love for "the dole" comes from Dole's service to our country and his vast record of accomplishment in the US Senate.  


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Another Reason to Love "The Dole"

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Surely you're not trying to compare
Still wet-behind-the-ears Penry and Bob Dole.

You're not as cute as you think, TaxCheat.

You still aren't answering the observations about Penry's job history: college quarterback (state funded), aide to McInnis (federal paycheck) and state legislator (state paycheck.) All with health benefits, we might add.


Sometimes, I guess, you have to let the inner bitch out.

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Please elaborate on the hypocrisy?
I've never been anti-mining. I have never professed to be anti-mining. I have worked since I was 13.  I was an ice rink guard for my hometown recreation department for a few years, but all my other work has been for private corporations.

I did not advise any campaigns at all in 2008.  I had a real job.  You must have me confused with someone else.


Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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You definitely keep Tim Geithner honest

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You're not taking a posthumous dig...
...at Ted Kennedy now, are you?

Health care "reform" will die in the Senate, and for their efforts, Democrats will be widely thrown out of office in 2010.  Don't say I didn't warn you.
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What a ringing endorsement
This seals the deal for Andrew Romanoff!

Penry/Romanoff 2016!

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You are joking?
We have two young, smart, dedicated public servants (Penry and Romanoff) going up against well-heeled insiders

Penry considered to be the outsider? You have got to be joking?!?


"...Penry...would be a shitty Governor." -Ralphie

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Given the choice, Gov. Ritter is worried . . . why?
Given a choice between Penry and McInnis, why on earth would people worry about Ritter being re-elected?  I'm sorry, but from what I know of both candidates they are both Saturday Night Live skits waiting to happen.

The Democrats can only hope Penry gets the nomination . . .  

Discipline without purpose is tyranny.

From What I've Seen...
...Penry seems disciplined while the "other" guy seems like a walking SNL skit:


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Penry vs McInnis reminds me of Polis vs FitzGerald
If this election was in 2000, McInnis would have this won in a walk. But it's 2010 and Penry will win by a decent (large if McInnis blows up) margin with McInnis and crew thinking they have it until the votes are counted.

I talked regularly to a number of people on Joan's team throughout the election. I don't think they ever understood that there are all these new avenues of communication out there and how they all interact with each other.

When there is a fundamental change in a system, old-school goes from being a strong advantage to being a major hindrance.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

That's a good comparison
except that it wasn't just that Polis had a slightly better understanding of the Web (you're really missing how well Fitz-Gerald's team got up to speed on that). Dumping $6 million into television advertising, buying endorsements from nonprofits and fielding an army of paid volunteers had a little bit to do with Polis' narrow margin of victory, too. Penry and Polis are both young and they have similar hairlines, but only one of them has the ability to self-finance like that.
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Good Point
Clearly Penry grasps the web and new communication mediums and I suspect Romanoff will demonstrate his proficiency soon enough.  I believe that understanding (of campaigning in 2010 vs. 2000) will propel each of them to victory in their respective primaries.  Romanoff and Penry are not Matt Miles type candidates.  They're serious, they're smart and they each have a following.  
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I disagree
I saw JFG's team ignoring the web throughout. Prior to endorsing Jared I occasionally suggested they try something. After I endorsed Jared I just watched in amazement.

Case in point - Jared had his ads everywhere on the Daily Camera website - JFG & WS didn't have anything. And those ads were dirt cheap.

Jared's money helped too but JFG had over a million which is more than enough to run a competitive campaign in CD-2. And she had active union & Emily's List support which provides a strong advantage.

I think we'll have to wait and see how each uses the web. If there is a big difference in how effectively each uses it, that will make a big difference in the vote.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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I don't think that...
..."these new avenues of communication" had much to do with it.  $7 million dollars of self-funding?  Yeah, probably.

Health care "reform" will die in the Senate, and for their efforts, Democrats will be widely thrown out of office in 2010.  Don't say I didn't warn you.
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I agree.
I got a glossy direct mail piece from Polis about every other day running up to the primary. It was constant.

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
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I think Penry wins the primary
but I think there is a lot more to it than just old v. new technologies/tactics.

I think Penry will ride the tea bag wave, but question whether that will get him into the Gov's chair.

Here is a freshly posted Letter online at gjsentinel.com to get a flavor of what the 'base' (i.e. primary voters) think-


McInnis on the campaign trail

The Daily Sentinel does no favors for its readers by allowing Scott McInnis to tout a poll released by the Colorado Policy Institute showing him leading Josh Penry. The Colorado Policy Institute is run by Sean Tonner, whom McInnis has said is working for his campaign.

McInnis also has said that Monica Owens, daughter of our former governor, is working for him. And guess what? She's an employee of Tonner's political consulting company. In other words, the people behind the Colorado Policy Institute are anything but objective, whether about the governor's race or anything else.

Given the poor quality of Scott McInnis' campaign so far, it is more likely that the result of the Keystone/Frisco straw poll, showing Josh Penry well ahead among the GOP activist base, represents the true current situation.

ROSS KAMINSKY
Nederland

One Response to "McInnis on the campaign trail"

  1. warhorse
  Posted September 29th, 2009 at 11:42 am  

     4 words - term limits, broken promises.



"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

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Ross Kaminsky?
Give me a break.

Ross is a right-wing fruitcake.  

http://rossputin.com/blog/inde...

It would be as hard to call him representative of the rank and file as it would be to call me the same thing.

Gotta do better, Twitty, unless you are TRYING to prove that Penry is the darling of the lunatic fringe.


Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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unless you are TRYING to prove
You think the rabid fringe has anything but contempt for McInnis?
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Not at all
That was sort of my point, although it might have been too subtle.

Penry is the choice of fruitcakes like Kaminski.  It remains to be seen whether he can appeal to Real People.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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I thought that was my point too
I think Penry will ride the tea bag wave, but question whether that will get him into the Gov's chair.

i.e. I think Penry is the pick of the 'lunatic fringe' which I think is becoming indiscernible from the GOP primary voter, and thus not sure how well he will do in the general, although it should get him the nomination.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

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If R's were smart,
which with their shrinking of the R Party to being controlled by self-interest extremists, have proven they are not, McInnis would be their nominee.  But as control of the R Party apparatus has been usurped by extremists with only self in mind, I'm inclined to believe that Penry will be the nominee.  And as uberCon Penry is even further to the right of Beauprez and Schaffer, with the difference being that those two have actually accomplished something in their lives, Penry will stick out like a sore thumb, showing all of Colorado what is wrong with the R party nowadays.  A questionable moderate like McInnis would have a far greater chance of drawing unaffiliateds, moderates and disaffected D's than would an extremist uberCon like Penry.  If you believe Colorado is in an economic quandary now, just imagine what it would be like with a do-nothing out-of-state controlled puppet like Penry.

"Is anyone else here tired of the flimflam, mealy-mouthed Republican?"  --Josh Penry

Virginia and New Jersey are both within the margin of erro
Despite all kinds of missteps the Democrats in both Virginia are within the margin of error for the Governor's races to be decided in November. In 1993 both states elected Republican governors and presaged the huge Democratic losses in 1994. A win in either state would be great news for the President and the DNC.  
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