Tuesday Open Thread

“A sovereign’s great example forms a people; the public breast is noble or vile as he inspires it.”

–David Mallet

18 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. ZappateroZappatero says:

    Knowing Z will never of course get promoted by the Proprietors of this Highly Influential Blog I give you Electoral College fight starts in Colorado Springs in Column B – just to the right……

    • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

      Pols often doesn't promote excellent diaries. I don't think it's intentional slighting – it's more just oversight.

      Kolbenschlag's North Fork article, Konola's post on democracy in Mesa County….these are local, well written (in Pete's case, also stunningly well-imaged). Sometimes my articles don't get promoted. Usually, complaining about it has the opposite effect. I don't have a diary up right now, so I'll complain that these should be promoted.

      When this blog is competing against the blog which shall not be named which used to be called the Statesman, it would make good sense to promote excellent, reader-generated, free content.

  2. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    Jones Act waiver expires, won't be renewed. Puerto Rico is SOL for getting foreign vessels with aid in to people who need it. Even the Dominican Republic, which is close by and has food ready to go, or Venezuela, which has diesel fuel, can't bring them in to port.

    • VoyageurVoyageur says:

      The Jones Act sucks, but I think you misstate it, MJ.  It requires U.S. Ships between U.S. Ports, like relief supplies from Miami or New Orleans.  Foreign countries like Venezuela or La Republica Domenica can ship to P.R. directly on foreign flag vessels.  In the case of Venezuela, it is a dysfunctional anarchy.

      • JohnInDenver says:

        Thanks for the clarification, Voyageur.

      • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

        Jones Act, which Trump allowed to come back into force after 10 days, levies high tariffs on foreign vessels bringing anything in to Puerto Rico.  So regardless of what we think of Venezuela's politics, they should be able to bring in diesel fuel to a country in need of it, without paying tariffs on their donations. So should the Dominican Republic with their 7 containers of food.

        It's just more unnecessary bureaucratic barriers to getting supplies to people who might die without them.

        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          It's complicated, mj, but you are still misstating jones act.  Venezuela can ship directly to puerto rico in foreign flag vessels.  But the diesel in question goes from venezuela as crude oil to citco refinery in lake charles louisiana, where it is refined into diesel, gasoline and other products.  Geting that diesel from louisiana to p.r., Unfortunately, is what triggers jones act with its requirements for u.s. Flag vessels, whose shipping costs are about double those of other carriers.

          Yes, I'd like to repeal the law.  But it is a perfect example of the protectionist policies that you and other bernistas advocate in so many other areas.  Why is free trade in shipping good, while nafta, the tpp and other free trade measures are bad?

          The jones act is protectionism, pure and simple.  As such, bernistas should adore it.

           

          • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

            Masterful deflection, V. You managed to take a humanitarian crisis in need of a waiver of a protectionist rule into an attack on Bernie and his supporters! Wow.

            I don't think I've seen such a swerve since AC got tired of bringing up Bill every time Trump was criticized.

            Do let us know how attacking Sanders  will help the people of Puerto Rico get the resources they need. There must be a connection somewhere.

            • VoyageurVoyageur says:

              The connection is that you guys are fanatically opposed to all free trade measures.  Protectionism always hurts consumers, whether hurricane victims or just ordinary citizens.  The Jones Act is a triumph of your views.  Own it.

              The Jones Act has crippled Puerto Rico, Hawaii and Alaska for almost 100 years.  You really think you can undo that damage with a ten day waiver?

              And, again, you don't even bother to find out what the law is.  It doesn't impose tariffs on imports to pr from foreign countries.  The diesel in question is in louisiana. 

              I could find no support at all for your Dominican Republic claim.  That country was pretty well battered by hurricanes and needs relief itself.  But as a foreign country it can ship directly to the U.S. without worrying about the Jones Act.  Jones only applies to intra U.S. commerce.

              Mercifully, the Virgin Islands are exempt from your protectionist scheme, so no waiver needed there.

              I await a link storm arguing that protectionism is a wonderful thing when The left supports it but that it becomes evil when Trump agrees with the left and refuses to waive it.

              Link away, linkaway, link away, Dixieland!

  3. Gilpin Guy says:

    The public beast is inspired to particularly vile right now.  If you want to see the true motives regarding 'Tax Reform' look how piggy the billionaires in the Trump cabinet are to grift off the taxpayer for plane rides.  They would steal pensions from the blind if they could.  What a vile group of wealthy assholes.

  4. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    The Moron in Chief stinks.  Stay upwind, Secretary Tillerson.

Leave a Reply

Comment from your Facebook account


You may comment with your Colorado Pols account above (click here to register), or via Facebook below.